At risk of starting a religious war.

On Aug 17, 10:15 am, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Has anyone flown the newest version of the Duo-Discus with it's bigger cockpit?
Who is prepared to comment on the relative success of the "x" modifications
(winglets and revised airfoils and landing flaps and sprung undercarriage).
Is it better at XC?
Is it safer XC now?
Can the change in L/D be quantified (SH claim the same 1:45)

I hear rumor Jack Harkin will be flyin his "X" out of Montague this weekend
17-19.
He is a contributor to the Wiiliams' Soaring forum. Perhaps you may post your
query there for his opinions.

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FYI, Gavin flew a new Duo with winglets at the R-9 in Parowan Utah, I
don't know whose it was but perhaps he could comment on it's
performance improvements.
RC-21

At 17:06 18 August 2007, Js wrote:

The rear seat of the DG-1000 has adjustable height,
a unique feature.
Jim



The DG rear seat adjust is by a variable length strap,
similar to a seat harness adjust. Unfortunately, on
a heavy landing the strap fitting can break at the
seat, resulting in the pilot accelerating down until
he meets the fuselage coming up, and causing serious
back injury. This has happened on a DG500 (identical
arrangement) and the answer on British gliders was
to remove the strap and instead adjust the height by
different thicknesses of shock absorbing foam. With
the change in airworthiness to conform to Europe it
is much more difficult to do this officially now, but
if I had a DG1000 instead of an ASH25 (I suffer the
worse handling - we all have to make sacrifices.......)
there would be no strap, and shock-foam under my rear
seat.

Anyone know what a Duo X Turbo is running for US customers right now -
ballpark? I know with the exchange rate it's going to be pretty
painful, but I'd love to know what the ballpark is...

Any idea what the new XL cockpit is going to do to the price?



Bruce wrote:
As far as I know the criticisms of the DuoDiscus related to
Cockpit space - particularly in the front.
Outlanding capability - effectiveness of airbrakes.
Unsprung and low clearance undercarriage

So Schempp-Hirth went away and improved the breed. Not least I am sure
because the DG1000 apparently had a better overall polar. (DGs test in
2000 was against a Duo, not a Duo x...)

Despite the "x" being first flown in June 2005 and certified in February
2006 - I have not found much reporting on the new improved Duo-Discus.
Given the nature of RAS I am sure I can get some opinions.

Has anyone flown the newest version of the Duo-Discus with it's bigger
cockpit? Who is prepared to comment on the relative success of the "x"
modifications (winglets and revised airfoils and landing flaps and
sprung undercarriage).

Seems to me there would be more discussion on this , or do two seaters
not generate the same passion?

Is it better at XC?
Is it safer XC now?
Can the change in L/D be quantified (SH claim the same 1:45)

On Aug 18, 6:58 pm, Gary Emerson wrote:
Anyone know what a Duo X Turbo is running for US customers right now -
ballpark? I know with the exchange rate it's going to be pretty
painful, but I'd love to know what the ballpark is...

Any idea what the new XL cockpit is going to do to the price?


Best sit down and call Monty or Heinz for that...
Jim

Gary Emerson wrote:
Anyone know what a Duo X Turbo is running for US customers right now -
ballpark? I know with the exchange rate it's going to be pretty
painful, but I'd love to know what the ballpark is...

Any idea what the new XL cockpit is going to do to the price?

Apparently it is a no cost change. I don't know whether they will continue
offering the smaller cockpit .



Bruce wrote:
As far as I know the criticisms of the DuoDiscus related to
Cockpit space - particularly in the front.
Outlanding capability - effectiveness of airbrakes.
Unsprung and low clearance undercarriage

So Schempp-Hirth went away and improved the breed. Not least I am sure
because the DG1000 apparently had a better overall polar. (DGs test in
2000 was against a Duo, not a Duo x...)

Despite the "x" being first flown in June 2005 and certified in
February 2006 - I have not found much reporting on the new improved
Duo-Discus. Given the nature of RAS I am sure I can get some opinions.

Has anyone flown the newest version of the Duo-Discus with it's bigger
cockpit? Who is prepared to comment on the relative success of the "x"
modifications (winglets and revised airfoils and landing flaps and
sprung undercarriage).

Seems to me there would be more discussion on this , or do two seaters
not generate the same passion?

Is it better at XC?
Is it safer XC now?
Can the change in L/D be quantified (SH claim the same 1:45)