Bonanza crash caught on video

On Sep 1, 9:18 am, Matt Whiting wrote:

Or worse, I could believe that all airplane engines sputter.

Yes, you can believe that even gliders sputter. You are *WAY* too
trusting of witness statements.

Matt Whiting wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Aug 31, 7:40 pm, Mike Granby wrote:
Another witness mentioned an engine sputter
Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

All aircraft engines sputter, that's just the nature of how they work.
They don't sound like BMV engines.


Bull. I can easily tell a well-running aircraft engine from one that
isn't running well.

I think he might have meant that a direct
drive unmuffled flat-four sounds rough
at idle compared to most cars. And I'd
agree.

I think he might have meant that a direct
drive unmuffled flat-four sounds rough
at idle compared to most cars. And I'd
agree.

It's that "unmuffled" (or partially muffled, at best) part that gives
it that characteristic quality.

Our friend has an airplane powered by an unmuffled Chevy V-8, and it
sounds just as sputtery at idle...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
I think he might have meant that a direct
drive unmuffled flat-four sounds rough
at idle compared to most cars. And I'd
agree.

It's that "unmuffled" (or partially muffled, at best) part that gives
it that characteristic quality.

Our friend has an airplane powered by an unmuffled Chevy V-8, and it
sounds just as sputtery at idle...


Funny cars and TF dragsters sputter. Most street cars don't even come
close! :-)

Matt

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Our friend has an airplane powered by an unmuffled Chevy V-8, and it
sounds just as sputtery at idle...

Most high HP V-8's do sound sputtery, due to a high lift cam with more than
usual valve open overlap.

Even then, V-8's with a stock cam often sound rough at idle, even with a
muffler, if idle is set relatively low. How about Harley's? They all sound
rough, with or without mufflers.
--
Jim in NC

Jim Stewart wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Aug 31, 7:40 pm, Mike Granby wrote:
Another witness mentioned an engine sputter
Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

All aircraft engines sputter, that's just the nature of how they work.
They don't sound like BMV engines.


Bull. I can easily tell a well-running aircraft engine from one that
isn't running well.

I think he might have meant that a direct
drive unmuffled flat-four sounds rough
at idle compared to most cars. And I'd
agree.

My 182 idled quite nicely and sounded quite good at full-bore as well.
The operative definition here is number 3 under verb, and I have never
heard any decently tuned aircraft engine that makes "explosive popping
sounds." And to say that this is "just the nature of how they work" is
simply silly. And not all aircraft are unmuffled.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sputter

Matt

In rec.aviation.piloting, on Fri 31 Aug 2007 09:40:01p, Mike Granby
wrote:

Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

Yeah, they would hear the engine sputter even if it was a crash of a
glider.

You have to wonder on cases like this if it wasn't that they heard the
engine sputter as the prop started chewing up the terrain.

Sounds like it was a case of, "Come on baby... Come on... You can make
it... A little more... Ahhh ****!"

Really-Old-Fart wrote:
In rec.aviation.piloting, on Fri 31 Aug 2007 09:40:01p, Mike Granby
wrote:

Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

Yeah, they would hear the engine sputter even if it was a crash of a
glider.

You have to wonder on cases like this if it wasn't that they heard the
engine sputter as the prop started chewing up the terrain.

Sounds like it was a case of, "Come on baby... Come on... You can make
it... A little more... Ahhh ****!"

You got it! Ahhhh ****!!!

On Aug 31, 11:36 pm, "Really-Old-Fart"
wrote:

You have to wonder on cases like this if it wasn't that they heard the
engine sputter as the prop started chewing up the terrain.

No, all airplane engines sputter. Just park your BMV next to your
airplane and compare the sounds.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote

No, all airplane engines sputter. Just park your BMV next to your
airplane and compare the sounds.

That is twice with that BVM stuff. The first time, I thought it was a typo,
but here it is again.

Is there a BVM car that I don't know about, or did you mean to say BMW?
--
Jim in NC