You mean I have to TALK to ATC? - long

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Doug Semler" wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

The only thing glass in that plane is probably the electrical
insulators...



I thought you were gonna say the vacuum tubes g

The steam gauge covers, too.

I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.

Glad to hear it, good luck. I just went through this a couple of years
ago, after a 17 year layoff. Fortunately the Compass & Clock are still where
they used to be.

Al G

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:23:45 -0700, Jay Honeck
wrote:

How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

And a lot of current students, really!

On a side note... As an ex-newspaper guy, have your read "The Cult of
the Amateur"?

I just heard a very interesting radio interview with the author.

good show


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
| How many students AREN'T training behind glass?
|
| Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped
out Cessna
| 150, just like a couple of generations before him...
|
| The only thing glass in that plane is probably the
electrical
| insulators...
|
| ;-)
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

Jay Honeck wrote:


I'm not saying VORs don't have a place anymore. I'm just surprised to
hear primary students flying around solely by reference to them. It
seems rather quaint, with so many students training in glass
cockpits...

I've never flown a glass cockpit, but they must use VOR navigation
devices like any other.

In article .com,
says...

I'm not saying VORs don't have a place anymore. I'm just surprised to
hear primary students flying around solely by reference to them. It
seems rather quaint, with so many students training in glass cockpits


I think the "typical" training environment today (for basic PPL) is a 152/172
with the same panel they had 20 years ago, albeit with an add-on G430 which may
or may not be certified WAAS (little importance for the PPL student). The
instructors will turn off the GPS 90% of the time.


--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Compasses and dead reckoning still work. Remember that
little blurb in the instrument rules 61.65, Navigation,
including dead reckoning appropriate to IFR.

Procedure turns, and NORDO are just some of the DR
situations, GPS and or VOR OTS are others.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
| I was flying to Reno last week and there was a GPS outage
part of the way
| there. I had a couple guys with me and they just looked
at me when the MX20
| and the 296 went blank. I just tuned in to the next VOR
and kept going 10
| minutes later they came back.
|
| Interesting. I've had a similar experience where I lost
one (or two)
| GPS's (for reasons unknown) -- but I've never lost *both*
of them.
|
| I'm not saying VORs don't have a place anymore. I'm just
surprised to
| hear primary students flying around solely by reference to
them. It
| seems rather quaint, with so many students training in
glass
| cockpits...
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|