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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:13:15 -0500, Michael Ash
wrote: It would be a hell of a lot more pleasant for sure, and also a hell of a lot more expensive. Remember the term "jet set"? Remember *why* that term was used to refer to the leisure rich? Was? G Personally I'd rather have today's craptastic air travel than go back to top-class service which I can't ever afford to have. Travel across the field to the charter terminal, or visit your local "executive" airport. Also, research "NetJet" charters and "shared" charters. That's where lots of airline profits went post-9/11. No security hassles, no waiting in long lines while the cattle deal with their own security hassles (Why can't I carry my spear gun or taser in the cabin?), easy parking, and a perceived lower likelyhood of somebody messing with the airplane to start with. On a shared charter, you might even pick the departure time. Many of the folks you see these days in First Class didn't buy the ticket, they exchanged FF miles, or got them through some corporate travel come-on. The executives, athletes, celebrities, all far below the leisure rich, are over at the private side of the airport. Remember 20 years ago, when we'd see famous folks in the airport while we waited to board? Once upon a time, the full-fare coach and first class passengers paid lots of costs, and the super-saver fare was profit in empty seats. Not to mention an enormous amount of mail, banking documents, and express freight. Most of which now either moves by FedEx or UPS, or not at all, as it's gone electronic. |
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In rec.aviation.student B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:13:15 -0500, Michael Ash wrote: It would be a hell of a lot more pleasant for sure, and also a hell of a lot more expensive. Remember the term "jet set"? Remember *why* that term was used to refer to the leisure rich? Was? G It's just not used much at all anymore. To the extent that it is used, it still means that. Personally I'd rather have today's craptastic air travel than go back to top-class service which I can't ever afford to have. Travel across the field to the charter terminal, or visit your local "executive" airport. Also, research "NetJet" charters and "shared" charters. [snip] You're right that the "bygone" service still exists if you can find it and afford it. Which is pretty much my point. The people whining and complaining that airline service isn't what it used to be are ignoring the fact that if they pay what airline service used to cost they can get the kind of service they want too. People just want something for nothing, top-class service with $80 bargain-basement roundtrip tickets, which obviously just isn't going to happen. -- Michael Ash Rogue Amoeba Software |
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![]() "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... YougotitSam wrote: Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have RECORD airline delays Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow. Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream that allows such modernization. |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... YougotitSam wrote: Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have RECORD airline delays Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow. Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream that allows such modernization. It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports. |
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Sam Spade wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote: "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... YougotitSam wrote: Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have RECORD airline delays Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow. Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream that allows such modernization. It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports. Atlanta recently spent BILLIONS on a 5th runway and the delays there now are WORSE than when they had 4 runways. Apparently it is more than just a runway problem The facts are the FAA is out of control and is filled with incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions. Dance around it all day but the problem is BAD AND INCOMPETENT FAA MANAGEMENT PERIOD |
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FAA EEO wrote:
Sam Spade wrote: Matt Barrow wrote: "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... YougotitSam wrote: Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have RECORD airline delays Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow. Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream that allows such modernization. It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports. Atlanta recently spent BILLIONS on a 5th runway and the delays there now are WORSE than when they had 4 runways. Apparently it is more than just a runway problem The facts are the FAA is out of control and is filled with incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions. Dance around it all day but the problem is BAD AND INCOMPETENT FAA MANAGEMENT PERIOD The truth of the matter... yes, Atlanta and the airlines (not the FAA) spent $billions on the 5th runway. Flight delays immediately decreased significantly. A couple of months later one of the otehr 4 runways was shut down for about 5 or 6 months for "renovations". During that time the airport again operated with 4 runways and delays did increase to even worse than before the 5th runway was completed. Once that runway was put back into service, delays dropped back to the lower, almost acceptable, levels. Can you imagine the problems if the 5th runway had not been built and Atlanta had to operate on 3 runways while the one was renovated. The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so something has to give. Mike: N44979 Archer II at RYY -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Mike wrote:
FAA EEO wrote: Sam Spade wrote: Matt Barrow wrote: "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... YougotitSam wrote: Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have RECORD airline delays Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow. Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream that allows such modernization. It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports. Atlanta recently spent BILLIONS on a 5th runway and the delays there now are WORSE than when they had 4 runways. Apparently it is more than just a runway problem The facts are the FAA is out of control and is filled with incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions. Dance around it all day but the problem is BAD AND INCOMPETENT FAA MANAGEMENT PERIOD The truth of the matter... yes, Atlanta and the airlines (not the FAA) spent $billions on the 5th runway. Flight delays immediately decreased significantly. A couple of months later one of the otehr 4 runways was shut down for about 5 or 6 months for "renovations". During that time the airport again operated with 4 runways and delays did increase to even worse than before the 5th runway was completed. Once that runway was put back into service, delays dropped back to the lower, almost acceptable, levels. Can you imagine the problems if the 5th runway had not been built and Atlanta had to operate on 3 runways while the one was renovated. The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so something has to give. Mike: N44979 Archer II at RYY The ATL 10/28 was originally supposed to be a commuter runway only. The Federal Government or FAA whatever you want to call it kicked in quite a bit of the money also. I still say you can build 50 new runways but if you can't modernize and you treat your key personnel like crap it won't matter what you do. The FAA has ruined the controller relationship and caved into big contractors and purchased crap equipment that has to be re-engineered in the field. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ7h1ETVTBs Unqualified and Incompetent FAA Management has led to the mess the ATC system is in. I am not sure short of a NASA type overhaul like after the shuttle Challenger blew up if anything of substance will be done. Sadly the FAA has not had it's Challenger. Yet. Here is the FAA priority with our tax money now.I am not sure what this link has to do with Air Safety but the FAA cares more about this crap than their mission now. Most of the FAA is consumed with political correctness and could care less about aviation. It's all about Kumbaya and Diversity. The Emperor has no clothes. https://employees.faa.gov/employee_s...ions_programs/ |
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FAA Civil Rights wrote in
: Mike wrote: FAA EEO wrote: Sam Spade wrote: Matt Barrow wrote: "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... YougotitSam wrote: Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have RECORD airline delays Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in congress and the executive branch would never allow. Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream that allows such modernization. It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports. Atlanta recently spent BILLIONS on a 5th runway and the delays there now are WORSE than when they had 4 runways. Apparently it is more than just a runway problem The facts are the FAA is out of control and is filled with incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions. Dance around it all day but the problem is BAD AND INCOMPETENT FAA MANAGEMENT PERIOD The truth of the matter... yes, Atlanta and the airlines (not the FAA) spent $billions on the 5th runway. Flight delays immediately decreased significantly. A couple of months later one of the otehr 4 runways was shut down for about 5 or 6 months for "renovations". During that time the airport again operated with 4 runways and delays did increase to even worse than before the 5th runway was completed. Once that runway was put back into service, delays dropped back to the lower, almost acceptable, levels. Can you imagine the problems if the 5th runway had not been built and Atlanta had to operate on 3 runways while the one was renovated. The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so something has to give. Mike: N44979 Archer II at RYY The ATL 10/28 was originally supposed to be a commuter runway only. The Federal Government or FAA whatever you want to call it kicked in quite a bit of the money also. I still say you can build 50 new runways but if you can't modernize and you treat your key personnel like crap it won't matter what you do. T Yes, and thank God you're saying it in usenet. Bertie |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:43:27 -0400, Mike wrote
in : The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so something has to give. It would appear that the majority of Boeing's airliner production is the 737 (118 to 215 seats*) currently: Boeing Reports Third-Quarter 2007 Deliveries CHICAGO, Oct. 04, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today announced deliveries across its commercial and defense operations for the third quarter of 2007. Major program deliveries during the third quarter were as follows: Major Programs 3rd Quarter 2007 Year-to-Date 2007 Commercial Airplanes Programs 737 81 250 747 5 12 767 3 9 777 20 58 Total 109 329 Integrated Defense Systems Programs Apache (New Builds) 9 17 Chinook (New Builds) 1 7 C-17 4 12 C-32/C-40 0 2 F/A-18E/F and EA-18G 11 33 Satellites (Government & Commercial) 1 4 T-45TS 2 7 F-15 3 6 Delta II - Commercial 1 2 ### * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737 |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:43:27 -0400, Mike wrote in : The biggest cause of flight delays is the airline scheduling and use of more Regional jets on the same runways... RJs take essentially the same runway space as traditional jets and only carry 1/4 to 1/3 as many passangers. More airline flights trying to use the same runways, so something has to give. It would appear that the majority of Boeing's airliner production is the 737 (118 to 215 seats*) currently: Boeing Reports Third-Quarter 2007 Deliveries CHICAGO, Oct. 04, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today announced deliveries across its commercial and defense operations for the third quarter of 2007. Major program deliveries during the third quarter were as follows: Major Programs 3rd Quarter 2007 Year-to-Date 2007 Commercial Airplanes Programs 737 81 250 747 5 12 767 3 9 777 20 58 Total 109 329 Integrated Defense Systems Programs Apache (New Builds) 9 17 Chinook (New Builds) 1 7 C-17 4 12 C-32/C-40 0 2 F/A-18E/F and EA-18G 11 33 Satellites (Government & Commercial) 1 4 T-45TS 2 7 F-15 3 6 Delta II - Commercial 1 2 ### * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737 Yes, the 737 has been the most popular passenger jet for some time now. But, the number of aircraft delivered by Boeing is not very signicicant... Check the number of aircraft delivered or in use by US airlines and you will find a huge increase in the use of Regional Jets. Remember, Boeing does not manufacture a RJ (neither does Airbus). The big RJ producers are Bombardier (Canadair RJ) and Embracer. Also, you can't look at the aircraft 'owned' by the major airlines because most of the RJs are flown by the "Commuter" airlines (ASA, Comair, American Eagle, etc.) Go to the major airport hubs where the long queues form for takeoff and look at aircraft types... about half will be RJs these days. (Because they fly shorter routes and turn around faster, they make more take-offs and landings than larger, 'standard' jets, compounding the problem.) Mike -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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