Future in Aviation for my Son?

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Oct 11, 8:35 am, Ross wrote:


Become an Engineer and then buy his own plane.

I am an engineer and I had to wait a loooonnnnngg time to buy a plane.


Forth year out of school and that was only because we had just bought
a big house.


Started flying in 1970, bought plane in 1996. In between paid for homes,
raised 2 kids, owned a 21' boat (sold boat in 1996), college for both,
had vacations, etc. You did great to get one in four years out of college.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

On Oct 11, 11:21 am, Ross wrote:

Started flying in 1970, bought plane in 1996. In between paid for homes,
raised 2 kids, owned a 21' boat (sold boat in 1996), college for both,
had vacations, etc. You did great to get one in four years out of college.

I was a twinkle in 1970

-Robert

His "timing" may just be right.. 4yr college degree at an aviation college,
get it in management of some type, or engineering may be better and get the
ratings... the "bottom of the food chain" is being sucked dry around here.

Used to be the local "ditch runners" flying turbo props for tourists to the
Grand Canyon required 1500hrs total time and 500 multi
now they are taking 500hr pilots with a Commercial Multi Instrument to "ride
right seat", entry level wages at $15-16K. Move up to Captain in a couple of
years at double the wage.

The entry level positions are open, because those Captains with experience
are being sucked into the regional's as everyone moves up the food chain
with the SBBP (Senior Baby Boomer Pilots) facing mandatory retirement at
age. Did I see a report last week that the first of the Baby Boomers are now
Medicare and Social Security eligible?

Most of our local "young CFIs" are coming from three places, staying about
12-18 months and moving on.

UND, University of North Dakota, Grand Forks ND
ERAU, Embry Riddle Aeronautical University, Prescott AZ
Utah State University, Logan UT,
http://www.usu.edu/majorsheets/04-05/Pilot04.pdf

One of my co-workers son completed the Utah State program and stayed as an
instructor and is doing very well.
BT

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
As many of you know, my son is taking flight lessons. He's past solo,
and into his cross-country flights.

He's a senior in high school, and is wondering what to do with the
rest of his life. His initial aim has been going into engineering,
but has decided that math is not something he truly enjoys. (Although
he's good at it -- far, far more advanced than I am.)

He's now toying with the idea of a career in aviation. Possibilities
include:

- Commercial pilot
- Helicopter pilot
- Something on the business side of aviation.

I need some first-hand experiences, please. Hours worked, what to
expect at the entry level, how much college does your job require,
types of skills required, etc. What kinds of careers are out there
right now? What sort of college degree should a 17 year old pursue in
order to come out the other end with a successful job in aviation?

We're filling out applications for colleges, and his choice of
colleges will be steered by his decisions. Your input is very much
appreciated!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Oct 10, 7:10 pm, "BT" wrote:
His "timing" may just be right.. 4yr college degree at an aviation college,
get it in management of some type, or engineering may be better and get the
ratings... the "bottom of the food chain" is being sucked dry around here.

Used to be the local "ditch runners" flying turbo props for tourists to the
Grand Canyon required 1500hrs total time and 500 multi
now they are taking 500hr pilots with a Commercial Multi Instrument to "ride
right seat", entry level wages at $15-16K. Move up to Captain in a couple of
years at double the wage.

The entry level positions are open, because those Captains with experience
are being sucked into the regional's as everyone moves up the food chain
with the SBBP (Senior Baby Boomer Pilots) facing mandatory retirement at
age. Did I see a report last week that the first of the Baby Boomers are now
Medicare and Social Security eligible?

Pilots with experience are also getting lured overseas with high wages
to help start new national airlines around the world.

Robert M. Gary writes:

Pilots with experience are also getting lured overseas with high wages
to help start new national airlines around the world.

That won't last long.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Robert M. Gary writes:

Pilots with experience are also getting lured overseas with high wages
to help start new national airlines around the world.

That won't last long.


Nah, of course it won't. The 75 year run on that has to end sometime.


Bertie

Jay Honeck wrote:
As many of you know, my son is taking flight lessons. He's past solo,
and into his cross-country flights.

He's a senior in high school, and is wondering what to do with the
rest of his life. His initial aim has been going into engineering,
but has decided that math is not something he truly enjoys. (Although
he's good at it -- far, far more advanced than I am.)

He's now toying with the idea of a career in aviation. Possibilities
include:

- Commercial pilot
- Helicopter pilot
- Something on the business side of aviation.

I need some first-hand experiences, please. Hours worked, what to
expect at the entry level, how much college does your job require,
types of skills required, etc. What kinds of careers are out there
right now? What sort of college degree should a 17 year old pursue in
order to come out the other end with a successful job in aviation?

We're filling out applications for colleges, and his choice of
colleges will be steered by his decisions. Your input is very much
appreciated!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Maybe the field of commercial aviation may be OK but tell
him to stay away from the FAA or any aviation related
Government employment here in America if he is a
heterosexual white male.

There is absolutely no future in American Government service
or American big business unless he is:

1. Gay
2. A Black Female
3. An Overweight white female with nose warts

I would encourage him to pursue flying with a foreign
airline and learn another language maybe Chinese.

Jay Honeck wrote:
His initial aim has been going into engineering,
but has decided that math is not something he truly enjoys. (Although
he's good at it -- far, far more advanced than I am.)

What type of engineering was he interested in?

On Oct 10, 6:24 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
As many of you know, my son is taking flight lessons. He's past solo,
and into his cross-country flights.

Yea we know. You flood usnet with every little thing that goes on in
your life (G).

He's now toying with the idea of a career in aviation. Possibilities
include:

- Commercial pilot
- Helicopter pilot
- Something on the business side of aviation.

All kidding aside, I can only help you with the first option. Airline
pilots make less $$$$ now than they did 10 or 20 years ago (Not
complaining here, I am sure this is true of many ocupations) . And the
future is bleak. Add to this the complete lack of benifits packages at
most carriers and it is not a career path most airline guys will
recommend.

I need some first-hand experiences, please. Hours worked, what to
expect at the entry level, how much college does your job require,
types of skills required, etc. What kinds of careers are out there
right now? What sort of college degree should a 17 year old pursue in
order to come out the other end with a successful job in aviation?

As far as college; Tell your boy to do what ever he wants but stay
away from most of theses aviation colleges ESPECIALLY Embry Riddle. I
have known many who have graduated from there and I have never heard
anyone say anything good about the place. Their people are ALLWAYS the
last to get hired (This is not a big deal when times are good, but
when thing slow down your boy could be tending bar for years).

Jay Honeck
IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com

"Union Thug" wrote

As far as college; Tell your boy to do what ever he wants but stay
away from most of theses aviation colleges ESPECIALLY Embry Riddle.

You -seriously- need to work on your posting skills. I eliminated the way
you responded, so I would not be making the same mistake you did, but you
left Jay's sig lines right after the paragraph this quote (above) started.
It makes it way to easy to think that Jay wrote it.

As far as slow times go, there will be no slow times for Joe (or any other
qualified pilots) in the 5 or 6 years it will take to get him ready. They
will be trying to find trained monkeys to be pilots by then.

The fears about pensions can be said about -any- job in this day and age.
No profession is safe. That is one reason there are people funding their
own retirements.
--
Jim in NC