My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

On 31 Oct 2007 15:16:07 -0700, Terry K wrote:


http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media...pa20071880.pdf
suggests the sun has no effect on climate.

Or, that we we cannot presently correlate sun and climate. Or there is
some interfering data swamping a comparatively small effect.

The sun's effect is easily measured and has been for decades.
It's done by a method called the "pan evaporation rate". The
inconsistency is the pan evaporation rate has been going down for at
least the last three decades or more. That would indicate the amount
of energy from the sun reaching the earth has been steadily dropping
for over 30 years. A Google search should give the process in detail.


If not the sun, how about our dirt? It lives, excretes, and is deep,
to boot. Who understands zero gee fission? we are ice on a fireball.
We are the snowball surrounding hell, walking around on a little
insulating frozen rock floating on a lake of magma.

Cheap renewable power? Geothermal, solar steam, wind, tidal.

Real expense? Transmission, overpopulation?

Private planes to eliminate highway congestion? The highway, be it
asphalt or air, is no more than an extension of the parking lot. Are
we gonna have sky garages 20 floors tall and elevator parking for
excess idle Mohler sky machinery, or are we gonna take air taxis? How
many pedestrians squashed by crashing cabs before we try dirigible
busses, or living with parachutes in our office?

None of the sky routes are economical.
A quick check will show some high rises in NY do have parachutes for
emergencies although I'd not think they'd be practical.


I see city buildings before commuter conveniences. Land is limited. I
see deep wells for Icelandic power, even air conditioning. I see tube
trains surrounding volcanic artifacts linking ring of fire hot spots.
I count the calories produced by cities in their warm spots with their
reflective sky scrapers and steam pipes warmed by moving lightweight
reflectors.

I see wind power to produce compressed air, liquid nitrogen and

Liquid nitrogen is very inefficient as it takes a lot of energy to
produce and the only energy you get out is the expansion from
evaporation and expansion.

ultimately, hydrogen to be burned on site to put power into the grid
when needed.

Hydrogen too is expensive to produce on a large scale and remain a
viable economic alternative to gas, expensive to store and expensive
to transport although not nearly as dangerous as most think. It also
takes more energy to produce the gas than you can get back out of it.
Liquefying it takes even more. However Hydrogen contains far more
energy than liquid Nitrogen as you can use Hydrogen in combustion and
produce a fair amount of clean energy.


Can liquid nitrogen be used to operate a Stirling cycle engine or
turbine warmed by ambient air? What is it's energy density next to
gasoline or hydrogen? What about it's seasonal efficiency?

Compared to combustible fuels it's very poor although I don't have the
numbers right at my fingertips. Gasoline is considerably higher than
Hydrogen due to all the carbon.


Our oil problems are really political marketing.

Only partially. Unstable sources, unfriendly sources, poorly
accessible sources, long and expensive transportation routes, all lead
to price sensitivity. It along with coal is also a big source of
pollution.

Roger (K8RI)

Terry K

Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.
Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


Have you researched the process of making solar panels? Things aren't
as "green" as they seem...

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.
Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


Have you researched the process of making solar panels? Things aren't as
"green" as they seem...

Matt

"Green" is a religion, in which party-hack politicians are the gods.

Personally, I prefer a religion in which the only God is more perfect than
any human could even be or even imagine.

What voltage do those cars use? I assume it's more than 12V. If so,
you'll have to series connect several solar panels to match what you
need. And then, if it's an oddball voltage, you'll have to build your
own charge controller to keep from overcharging. And then, does the
battery type used require a constant voltage or constant current to
charge them. If constant current, you will have to build your own
current source. None of this is un-doable, just some dinking around.
If the voltage required is quite high, you will have a fair investment
in solar panels...

Edward A. Falk wrote:

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:

Sounds good to me.

Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.


All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.


--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

The current crop of electric hybrids use about 4,000 AA
Li-ion batteries in series-parallel to get 800-1000 VDC for
the motors.



"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
| What voltage do those cars use? I assume it's more than
12V. If so,
| you'll have to series connect several solar panels to
match what you
| need. And then, if it's an oddball voltage, you'll have
to build your
| own charge controller to keep from overcharging. And
then, does the
| battery type used require a constant voltage or constant
current to
| charge them. If constant current, you will have to build
your own
| current source. None of this is un-doable, just some
dinking around.
| If the voltage required is quite high, you will have a
fair investment
| in solar panels...
|
| Edward A. Falk wrote:
|
| In article
. com,
| Jay Honeck wrote:
|
| Sounds good to me.
|
| Me, too.
|
| I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact,
given my 6 mile
| (round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an
all-electric car as
| my next vehicle.
|
|
| All-electric cars have the problem of limited range.
I'm thinking of
| a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car
for short trips,
| and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the
roof to charge it,
| it becomes pretty green.
|
|
| --
| Scott
| http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
| Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
| Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

Jim Macklin wrote:
The current crop of electric hybrids use about 4,000 AA
Li-ion batteries in series-parallel to get 800-1000 VDC for
the motors.

The specs I've seen on the Honda Accord hybrid
show 120 NiMH cells giving 144 volts at 6.0 Ah

The Prius also uses NiMH cells, a total of 168
and a peak voltage of 201 volts and 6.5 Ah.

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
.. .
Jim Macklin wrote:
The current crop of electric hybrids use about 4,000 AA Li-ion batteries
in series-parallel to get 800-1000 VDC for the motors.

The specs I've seen on the Honda Accord hybrid
show 120 NiMH cells giving 144 volts at 6.0 Ah

The Prius also uses NiMH cells, a total of 168
and a peak voltage of 201 volts and 6.5 Ah.

That makes more sense; although I admit that the much higher voltage, with
solid state controls, could be fun to watch--from a safe distance.

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:28:19 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:
Sounds good to me.

Me, too.

I could live quite happily without freeways. In fact, given my 6 mile
(round trip) commute each day, I'm considering an all-electric car as
my next vehicle.

All-electric cars have the problem of limited range. I'm thinking of
a plug-in Prius for my next car. It's an electric car for short trips,

Of course in the US that voids your warranty. In Europe they have a
button on the dash to use it as an all electric when around town and
then go to hybrid for longer trips. Instead of just shy of 50 MPG
they are running in the neighborhood of 100 MPG.

The reason for not having the button in the US is the battery
warranty.

Roger (K8RI)
and a hybrid for long ones. With solar panels on the roof to charge it,
it becomes pretty green.