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Arnold Sten wrote:
Those four plane crashes were, in my opinion, not accidents, but deliberate and pre-meditated acts of suicide and murder. To me, that would explain why those did not make the list. Perhaps that Cypriot 737 that crashed in Greece should be considered an important one. Not because of failure of pressurisation system, but because the politicians, after 9-11, mandated a hurried implementation of the locked cockpit door system which proved fatal in the Cypriot 737 crash since the remaining conscious crewmember was prevented from entering the cockpit to save the situation until the door unlocked when fuel ran out, but by then, it was too late. There is also the issue of aircraft wiring. It wasn't a single accident/crash that changed aviation, but rather realisation after a number of incidents that aircraft wiring was a big problem. And in the case of the UA 747 near Hawaii, the conclusion was changed years later from human error to faulty aircraft wiring. TWA800 and SR111 were the more obvious accidents. The early A320 problems also showed that FAA and other certification agencies had antiquated testing procedures that did not ensure the software on an aircraft was reliable. Most of the A320 problems did not result in a crash, but still showed that the aircraft was put into service with less than acceptable software quality which should have been spotted before the aircraft entered commercial service. Aircraft certification tests were revised and subsequent aircraft introductions were far more reliable. I'd have to say though that Comet was probably the biggest one since it made engineers realise that pressurisation cycles affect aircraft structure and that has been a major impact on all subsequent aircarft. |
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![]() "Nobody" wrote I'd have to say though that Comet was probably the biggest one since it made engineers realise that pressurisation cycles affect aircraft structure and that has been a major impact on all subsequent aircarft. Hard to argue that, but I think it is important because of the style of reconstructive investigation that grew from figuring out the crashes. It is the standard that all modern investigations grew from. -- Jim in NC |
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Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001.
I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because those crashes were not unintentional. There was no failure of technology or pilot error involved. David Johnson |
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Dave wrote:
Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because those crashes were not unintentional. There was no failure of technology or pilot error involved. David Johnson The Eastern L-1011 flight that flew into the Everglades while the crew fiddled with a light bulb back in the 70's created new alerts on radar software for controllers and new landing procedures. MSAW(Minimum Safe Altitude Warnings) were born from that crash |
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Dave wrote:
Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because those crashes were not unintentional. There was no failure of technology or pilot error involved. How did they get control of the aircraft if the pilots didn't error in letting them into the cockpit? |
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![]() "mrtravel" wrote in message . .. Dave wrote: Hmmm. No mention of September 11, 2001. I would have thought those plane crashes would have made the list, given the drastic changes that resulted. No, because those crashes were not unintentional. There was no failure of technology or pilot error involved. How did they get control of the aircraft if the pilots didn't error in letting them into the cockpit? Simple - there was no requirement to lock the door and the door wasn't reinforced to prevent intrusion, until after this date. John |
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John Ewing wrote:
Simple - there was no requirement to lock the door and the door wasn't reinforced to prevent intrusion, until after this date. Not true. The doors have been locked since the seventies. They weren't overly substantial, nor were there any real strict procedures to cover the opening of the door during flight. |
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![]() "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... John Ewing wrote: Simple - there was no requirement to lock the door and the door wasn't reinforced to prevent intrusion, until after this date. Not true. The doors have been locked since the seventies. They weren't overly substantial, nor were there any real strict procedures to cover the opening of the door during flight. Beg to differ, Ron. Doors were not routinely locked. Most could be locked, but certainly there was no mandatory requirement for them to be locked in flight. I think my statement is correct. John |
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