Confusion

On 11/27/07 12:26, Andrey Serbinenko wrote:
It happened to me more than once when I'd be told by clearance
to expect squawk on release, and then I'd tell the tower that
I'm ready for take-off, and they would clear me, and I'd say
that I'm expecting a squawk from them, and they'd go like:
"er... cancel take-off clearance, hold for release". I made it
my SOP to always tell'em this explicitly: if I'm VFR I'd say:
"such-and-such ready for take-off, departing north-west (or whatever),
and if I'm IFR I'd say: "such-and-such ready for take-off, IFR to XXX".

This is what I've been told to do (except that I specifically state VFR to ...
when VFR). There's still no excuse for the controller's mistake, but at least
you're helping to catch it, rather than just let it unfold.


Andrey


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Andrey Serbinenko" wrote in message
...
if I'm VFR I'd say:
"such-and-such ready for take-off, departing north-west (or whatever),
and if I'm IFR I'd say: "such-and-such ready for take-off, IFR to XXX".


That's what I use; no confusion about it.
--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

Matt W. Barrow wrote:
"Andrey Serbinenko" wrote in message
...
if I'm VFR I'd say:
"such-and-such ready for take-off, departing north-west (or whatever),
and if I'm IFR I'd say: "such-and-such ready for take-off, IFR to XXX".


That's what I use; no confusion about it.

Same here.

On the VFR side, it also helps the controller to know which way you're
planning to go without waiting to be asked.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Matt W. Barrow wrote:
"Andrey Serbinenko" wrote in message
...
if I'm VFR I'd say:
"such-and-such ready for take-off, departing north-west (or whatever),
and if I'm IFR I'd say: "such-and-such ready for take-off, IFR to XXX".


That's what I use; no confusion about it.

Same here.

On the VFR side, it also helps the controller to know which way you're
planning to go without waiting to be asked.

When VFR, I request something like "...Columbia six Mike Kelo, three one
(runway), ready for takeoff, request southeast departure...", or I just go
with the flow.
--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

Maybe I'm confused too, but I thought we always told Ground Control that we
were ready to taxi IFR or VFR, especially if we picked up our clearance from
some other controller. Is this no longer the norm?

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
....

Guess I'll remember to remind Tower that I'm IFR from now on, although I
didn't think that was necessary. At least in this case, it was.

Jon

Jim Carter wrote:

Maybe I'm confused too, but I thought we always told Ground Control that we
were ready to taxi IFR or VFR, especially if we picked up our clearance from
some other controller. Is this no longer the norm?


You really have to see how a busy VFR tower works from the inside to see
how it's easy to lose an aircraft. At GFK every morning we'd have 25
aircraft on the taxiway, all ready to depart and more taxiing out. That
was the easy part, no arrivals. Now have the same number ready to go
but you have six airplanes doing touch and goes on your runway and six
more the other tower controller is working on his runway. Aircraft 3
miles away needing to be sequenced into one of the patterns. Aircraft
still on the ground you pay little attention to as that's only a small fire.

"Newps" wrote
You really have to see how a busy VFR tower works from the inside to see
how it's easy to lose an aircraft. At GFK every morning we'd have 25
aircraft on the taxiway, all ready to depart and more taxiing out. That
was the easy part, no arrivals. Now have the same number ready to go but
you have six airplanes doing touch and goes on your runway and six more
the other tower controller is working on his runway. Aircraft 3 miles
away needing to be sequenced into one of the patterns. Aircraft still on
the ground you pay little attention to as that's only a small fire.

I can't imagine how anyone can be a controller. I can barely keep track of
where one plane (me) is. Kudos to all of you!

Jon

Jim Carter wrote:
Maybe I'm confused too, but I thought we always told Ground Control that we
were ready to taxi IFR or VFR, especially if we picked up our clearance from
some other controller. Is this no longer the norm?

Nope, not at Dulles. The guy who gave me my clearance has dropped the
strip down the rack by the appropriate ground controller. The call
is usually "Dulles Ground Navion 5327K TAXI". They already know where
I am and obviously where I need to go.

On Nov 27, 3:26 pm, Andrey Serbinenko
wrote:
my SOP to always tell'em this explicitly: if I'm VFR I'd say:
"such-and-such ready for take-off, departing north-west (or whatever),
and if I'm IFR I'd say: "such-and-such ready for take-off, IFR to XXX".

Andrey

Andrey,
It is also our SOP to tell the tower whether we are VFR or IFR.
Our primary flight instructor, a newly minted but very safety
conscious and capable CFI, taught us to do so from the very first
flight lesson.

Hai Longworth

Actually, I have to tell that to the Ground, too, since on calm days they would
use different runways for IFR and VFR, or would be lining up IFR departures
holding for release at full length while clearing VFR traffic for intersection
departure on the same runway. So, if you don't tell them, you may get sent to a
sub-optimal runway. My CFI always made a point of reading back runway and
intersection assignments in response to takeoff clearance, to give the
controller a chance to verify that we're actually at the place he thinks we
are at.

Andrey


Longworth wrote:
On Nov 27, 3:26 pm, Andrey Serbinenko
wrote:
my SOP to always tell'em this explicitly: if I'm VFR I'd say:
"such-and-such ready for take-off, departing north-west (or whatever),
and if I'm IFR I'd say: "such-and-such ready for take-off, IFR to XXX".

Andrey

Andrey,
It is also our SOP to tell the tower whether we are VFR or IFR.
Our primary flight instructor, a newly minted but very safety
conscious and capable CFI, taught us to do so from the very first
flight lesson.

Hai Longworth