RIP Cirrus

Newps wrote:
Gatt wrote:
But first they should tell it to the
Americans who just lost their jobs to the communists so that handful
of investors could make more money.


No employee at Cessna lost their job because they're building the 162
in China. Cessna is hiring.

Though I didn't make the original statment I'll rephrase form him.

....American's that won't get jobs that the communists will so that handful
of investors could make more money.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Newps wrote:
Gatt wrote:
But first they should tell it to the
Americans who just lost their jobs to the communists so that handful
of investors could make more money.


No employee at Cessna lost their job because they're building the 162
in China. Cessna is hiring.

Though I didn't make the original statment I'll rephrase form him.

...American's that won't get jobs that the communists will so that handful
of investors could make more money.

As he said, Cessna is hiring. Those are people who will work on the big
ticket items.

By comparison, the Skycatcher is a tinkertoy. It would be unfeasible,
economically, to build it here.

Having said that, it would have been great if they could have built it in
Taiwan, or some such place (like Poland).

Matt W. Barrow wrote:

As he said, Cessna is hiring. Those are people who will work on the
big ticket items.

By comparison, the Skycatcher is a tinkertoy. It would be unfeasible,
economically, to build it here.

Having said that, it would have been great if they could have built
it in Taiwan, or some such place (like Poland).

Yes, it isn't black and white. There are several shades in between and China
is just about the worse they could have chosen. The only ones that in my
opinion would have been worse would be Iran, North Korea and Sudan.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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No employee at Cessna lost their job because they're building the 162
in China. Cessna is hiring.

Though I didn't make the original statment I'll rephrase form him.

...American's that won't get jobs that the communists will so that handful
of investors could make more money.

Thank you. Right on the numbers.

-c

"Gatt" wrote in message
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"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in message
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For a few. The rest--the people who made Cessna what it was by Actually
Making the Cessnas--will have a hard time enjoying Cessna's "profits."

Who made Cessna what it is? The workers? The management? The INVESTORS?
Who actually had $$$ at risk?

When it comes to the ability of America, its economy and its people, we
all have $$$ at risk.

No one has $$$ at risk except investors. Employees get paid first,
management has their arrangement, but only investors have paid CASH into a
company which they can lose in its entirety.


All the money in the empire couldn't have built Julius Caesar a Cessna.

Non-Sequitur.


All the money in the American economy wouldn't have populated general
aviation with the Cessnas that the factory workers didn't build for them.
If the Cessna investors want to make Cessna a chinese company whose
profits go to a small number of -international- shareholders (not
necessarily Americans) they should just say so.

With out investment cash, everything else is moot.

But first they should tell it to the Americans who just lost their jobs to
the communists so that handful of investors could make more money.

Which workers lost their jobs?

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in message
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When it comes to the ability of America, its economy and its people, we
all have $$$ at risk.

No one has $$$ at risk except investors.

How's that housing market going these days?

Those management/MBA types know everything about the economy, I'm sure.
Say, how's Citibank doing these days?

But first they should tell it to the Americans who just lost their jobs
to the communists so that handful of investors could make more money.

Which workers lost their jobs?

The ones that could have been building Cessna 162s at a domestic Cessna
factory had a handful of investors who are already making record profits
could further sell America out to communist, rival superpower who keeps
trying to steal our nuclear and military secrets, and intellectual property.

Hope that clears it up a little. You can buy a $100 "Gibsum" Les Paul out
of China. An absolutely forgery of an American instrument. You can buy
bootleg movies there before the movies are released in theaters. That's
because the government doesn't do jack squat about it. They have no ethics,
but we're giving away our national industrial, technological and economical
capacity so that a few people can make even more record profits.

Of course, don't be surprised if, in a few years, the world is flooded with
ultra-cheap Cezzna AirCatchers and Cessna can't find international 162
buyers anymore.

-c

"Gatt" wrote

Of course, don't be surprised if, in a few years, the world is flooded
with ultra-cheap Cezzna AirCatchers and Cessna can't find international
162 buyers anymore.

That absolutely will happen. History repeats itself, again and again, as
far as China making cheap knock-offs.

The question is how long it will take, for this to happen. Any wagers?
--
Jim in NC

"Gatt" wrote in message
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"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in message
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When it comes to the ability of America, its economy and its people, we
all have $$$ at risk.

No one has $$$ at risk except investors.

How's that housing market going these days?

Those management/MBA types know everything about the economy, I'm sure.
Say, how's Citibank doing these days?

But first they should tell it to the Americans who just lost their jobs
to the communists so that handful of investors could make more money.

Which workers lost their jobs?

The ones that could have been building Cessna 162s at a domestic Cessna
factory had a handful of investors who are already making record profits
could further sell America out to communist, rival superpower who keeps
trying to steal our nuclear and military secrets, and intellectual
property.

One thing my wife, a former stock broker, tells me is the difference between
real investors and everyone else is that real investors are in it for the
long haul.

Yes, there's "record" profit (not really, but for the sake of
discussion...), but just a few years ago there were near record losses.

It can, and does, reverse quickly. Given current fuel prices, the aerospace
market can come to a grinding halt pretty quickly. How many times has
aerospace done that in the past couple decades?


Hope that clears it up a little. You can buy a $100 "Gibsum" Les Paul
out of China.

And for Cessna to build a bottom-of-the-line (excessively so) aircraft in
Kansas would be ludicrious.

An absolutely forgery of an American instrument. You can buy bootleg
movies there before the movies are released in theaters. That's because
the government doesn't do jack squat about it. They have no ethics, but
we're giving away our national industrial, technological and economical
capacity so that a few people can make even more record profits.

Do think of it as a zero-sum game.


Of course, don't be surprised if, in a few years, the world is flooded
with ultra-cheap Cezzna AirCatchers and Cessna can't find international
162 buyers anymore.

I agree with you to a great extent, see my posts about doing business in
China versus other places.

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
On the Cirrus side you have a foreign country, that while the
religion it follows is generally anti US, has a long an productive
relationship with the west and the US in particular. And even if you
hate everything they stand for at least they are sending some of the
money back to the US that we sent over there.

What it boils down to is money into the US=Good. Money out of the
US=Bad.

Make up your mind. You were just bitching about Cessna maximizing its
profit by outsourcing. Seems to me that profit is money into the
US...

For a few. The rest--the people who made Cessna what it was by
Actually Making the Cessnas--will have a hard time enjoying Cessna's
"profits."

-c




So don't buy one.


Easy, see?


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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For a few. The rest--the people who made Cessna what it was by
Actually Making the Cessnas--will have a hard time enjoying Cessna's
"profits."

So don't buy one.

Easy, see?

In what way is Americans not buying things good for the US economy? It would
be better all around if I bought a Cessna that was built in Wichita instead
of not buying one that was made in China.

Meanwhile, they're reporting record profits for domestic production...not
during production in China, but during the last two years. With a crisis
like that it's no wonder they're moving to a communist state with shoddy
quality control, unethical business practices, massive human rights
violations and near-slave labor.

Once those folks in Kansas are laid off, none of them will be buying Cessnas
either. Not exactly Mr. Ford's business model. And you know the Chinese
workers going to buy them either. 'Course, the French might, what with the
value of the Euro over the dollar. It'll be interesting to hear from them
about how the Skycatcher handles, because I'll probably never fly one.

-c