French planes are crap

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"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Chad Irby
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You should remember, though, that the Eurofighter's design is over
twenty years old.

As is the F-22 - is *that* obsolete?

The actual F-22 design we see now is really only about ten years old,
due to fairly complete revamps of the program along the way. They took
a long time getting to initial designs, but ti's those designs you have
to compare. The Eurofighter is pretty much the same design (plus some
avionics and materials changes) as the late-1970s initial requirement.

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In message , Chad Irby
writes
In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , Chad Irby
writes

You should remember, though, that the Eurofighter's design is over
twenty years old.

As is the F-22 - is *that* obsolete?

The actual F-22 design we see now is really only about ten years old,
due to fairly complete revamps of the program along the way.

One of the reasons the Eurofighter's late is... significant changes to
the original design, as newer technologies came along (the RCS reduction
program being one example).

They took
a long time getting to initial designs, but ti's those designs you have
to compare. The Eurofighter is pretty much the same design (plus some
avionics and materials changes) as the late-1970s initial requirement.

Sorry, but that last is no more true than that the F-22 that enters
service is just a productionised YF-22.

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Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Chad Irby
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In article ,
"Paul J. Adam" wrote:
If that were true, then we'd have binned Eurofighter in 1994 and
leased
F-16s instead.

Seriously examined and pushed quite hard.

...and bought for a small advantage, for (at least in part) political
reasons.

No, because it would be significantly less capable for not much less
money. The F-16 is a provably superb aircraft but its design is thirty
years old and it's running out of growth room.

You should remember, though, that the Eurofighter's design is over
twenty years old.


That's not true. Twenty years ago we had the Anglo-French EFA flying around,
but that wasn't a Eurofighter.

The Eurofighter was planned to fly in 1992, and to enter squadron service in
1999. The final design for production aircraft was actually frozen only four
years ago.

Matt