Airparks; Living On The Beaten Path?

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:31:45 -0700, Steve Hix wrote:

In this county, we've one airport closed down (and is now a shopping
center that's doing barely OK), restricted operations at another, and
we're watching the county supervisors trying yet again to shut down the
largest GA airport that takes some of the pressure off the bigger nearby
international airport.

The same county supervisors who OK'd development adjacent to the GA
field, and are now using that development (large shopping mall) as a
reason that the airport is too dangerous to keep in operation.

It's a revenue enhancement issue at bottom.

Combined with growing public anti-sentiment toward private airparks
in/around existing or upcoming residential neighborhoods. They have the
budget deficit numbers to solve and the phone calls from the citizenry
to resolve.

Here you have neither.

http://www.visualtour.com/shownp.asp?prt=85&t=1217861

http://preview.tinyurl.com/39avgz Use satellite mode

The point would appear to be that if your airpark isn't relatively off
the beaten path,or required (as Captiva is). you potentially face an
ever increasing chance that the gov ain't gonna luv you.

Here's a link as to the ammunition that can be used against the airparks
from the airparks themselves.

http://fmi.typepad.com/lwyp/2008/03/survey-results.html
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:32:31 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

North Captiva is small, apparently with only 20-30 homes there.

Many more than that.

The
residents would have to shell out a lot of money in lawyers' fees if
somebody mounted a strong movement against them.

They got it, I doubt there are any homes under $1M

The Chicken Littles
would pour out of the woodwork, crying "The sky is FALLING!" In steps
Mr. Foxy Loxy, promising to develop houses on the site, if only they can
get rid of those pesky, dangerous airplanes.

So much for the above, Orval.

If you are telling the truth, please accept my apologies.

I have seen too many airport battles where developers have stirred
things up withthe "natives" in order to destroy airports in the name of
"safety."

Here's an article that you can take back to your own airpark. FYI.

http://fmi.typepad.com/lwyp/2008/03/survey-results.html
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On Mar 17, 6:20*am, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:09:55 -0600, Neil Gould wrote:
Airparks; Living On The Beaten Path? is the Subject, note the ?

*You might even have to decide to give the airplane
to the insurance company someday, if a particularly crappy incident
happens to you - if you take up being a pilot. *Planes and houses
don't grow on trees, but they are much easier to replace than people.

I suppose you could say you are at a higher risk if you live within
two miles of any airport. *Is it a reasonable risk? *I think so.

Two miles and 20 meters is entirely 2 different discussions.

(rest snipped for brevity)

Having read many of your posts, I have to agree with Morgans' suggestion
that you argue less and listen more. Once you start your flight training
you will find that many of your current concerns in areas such as this are
unwarranted. In the meantime, your arguments with those who actually fly
and understand the relevant issues neither serve your ultimate goal nor
help those who, like you, participate in this group to learn because
authoritatively stated misinformation is counterproductive.

A brief example; you will learn that you can't be off the runway by 20
meters at most airports without things getting ugly. You will also learn
that there will be times when you will be unable to take off or land at a
chosen airport, and how to judge those times reasonably well.

Be patient, listen, and learn!

Best,

Neil

I appreciate the thought Neil but it's not like I haven't had a few
hundred hours in single/twin in the left seat.



WOW! WJRFlyBoy has a "few hundred hours in single/twin in the left
seat."!

That seems rather strange from someone who only four months ago was
stating that it was time to stop talking and start doin
something....about taking flight training. You must have spent every
waking hour since then doing nothing but flying.

In case you need a small reminder here is you post from a thread you
started on Nov.22, 2007 titled Advice Requested:
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1. WJRFlyBoy

It's time to stop talking and start doing so I would appreciate any
advice on how to assess a flight school, instructor, pricing and any
other suggestions. No advice too basic, trust me Including what I
should have included in this post or requested in the first place TIA
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So who was lying....the FlyBoy in November or the FlyBoy in March?
Let me guess, maybe the one who posted the following on Feb.28?

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:11:04 -0500
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I have been reading the various threads about spins, forced landings,
etc
and talking with CFIs. The road to a PPL is preset in requirements by
FAA.
I see that most people are happy to do nothing more than that. Outside
of
the cost factors, I find this much more than curious considering the
consequences. You can get killed, that one keeps jumping out at me

I am asking the group for assistance in developing a list of
instructional
and solo experiences, testing, mandatory reading.....if you ran the
FAA,
what would you require in a near-perfect world that a PPL would
require? I
am a zero-hour wannabe pilot FYI


For a start, I won't begin my first instruction until I can do the
following:


Pass all tests with a 95% minimum
Handle with ease all traffic control and similar commo
Dissect the anatomy of my training aircraft
Understand what and how the instrumentation works (shortcomings
included)
Own all the fundamentally necessary flight gear (i.e carry-ons in
flight
bag or on person)
Obtain hours in flight simulation
More...enough for now.


TIA. The group is an extremely valuable resource; I sincerely doubt I
would
be so focused and confident without your past, present and future
work
here.
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Hell, I don't think you have even started flight training yet and you
want to call yourself...FlyBOY. Time for you to go back to flying
model planes.

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:32:26 -0700 (PDT), BobR wrote:

I appreciate the thought Neil but it's not like I haven't had a few
hundred hours in single/twin in the left seat.


WOW!

Go away, Bob.
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On Mar 18, 1:16*pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:32:26 -0700 (PDT), BobR wrote:
I appreciate the thought Neil but it's not like I haven't had a few
hundred hours in single/twin in the left seat.

WOW!

Go away, Bob.
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Ah what's the matter, you don't like people posting your own crap for
everyone to see what a bunch of lies you are trying to put over on
them? Sorry but I don't have any intention of going away. I might
however repost some of your other lies for everyone to see.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:09:55 -0600, Neil Gould wrote:

A brief example; you will learn that you can't be off the runway by 20
meters at most airports without things getting ugly. You will also learn
that there will be times when you will be unable to take off or land at a
chosen airport, and how to judge those times reasonably well.

Here's an article extolling a few of the problems of airparks. Note the
one extraneous activities on the runways.

http://fmi.typepad.com/lwyp/2008/03/survey-results.html
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Recently, WJRFlyBoy posted:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:09:55 -0600, Neil Gould wrote:

A brief example; you will learn that you can't be off the runway by
20 meters at most airports without things getting ugly. You will
also learn that there will be times when you will be unable to take
off or land at a chosen airport, and how to judge those times
reasonably well.

Here's an article extolling a few of the problems of airparks. Note
the one extraneous activities on the runways.

Apparently, your "experience" doesn't involve flying into airports located
in rural areas. There are all kinds of "extraneous activities on the
runways", mostly non-human. A pilot knows how to deal with these
situations appropriately, minimizing the risks.

Neil

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:01:41 -0600, Neil Gould wrote:

Recently, WJRFlyBoy posted:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:09:55 -0600, Neil Gould wrote:

A brief example; you will learn that you can't be off the runway by
20 meters at most airports without things getting ugly. You will
also learn that there will be times when you will be unable to take
off or land at a chosen airport, and how to judge those times
reasonably well.

Here's an article extolling a few of the problems of airparks. Note
the one extraneous activities on the runways.

Apparently, your "experience" doesn't involve flying into airports located
in rural areas. There are all kinds of "extraneous activities on the
runways", mostly non-human. A pilot knows how to deal with these
situations appropriately, minimizing the risks.

Neil

Actually, 50% does including such glorified areas as Fayette AL,
LewisburgTN, Senatobia MS Ballground GA and more Podunk towns in AK than
I can remember.

Cows, deer (by the dozens), infants...the whole scheebang. You look at
this as acceptable challenges, I look at this as exceptional
liabilities. Same view, two different eyes.
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WJRFlyBoy wrote:


Cows, deer (by the dozens), infants...the whole scheebang. You look at
this as acceptable challenges, I look at this as exceptional
liabilities. Same view, two different eyes.

Then you need to give up the idea of flying now. Don't waste any more of
your time.

Airparks aren't the only place where animals get on the runway and I've
seen deer on a Class C airport's runway and the only reason I haven't
seen them on a Class B is that I don't fly into them that often.

On Mar 18, 1:57*pm, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Cows, deer (by the dozens), infants...the whole scheebang. You look at
this as acceptable challenges, I look at this as exceptional
liabilities. Same view, two different eyes.

Then you need to give up the idea of flying now. Don't waste any more of
your time.

Airparks aren't the only place where animals get on the runway and I've
seen deer on a Class C airport's runway and the only reason I haven't
seen them on a Class B is that I don't fly into them that often.

Not to mention all those pesky birds that we are forced to share the
sky with. I had an much too close encounter with a buzzard in a 172
once. It resulted in replacing one wing and a soiled seat(g). I have
photos of a twin that was struck in the windshield and tore a two foot
wide section out of the fuselage almost the length of the cabin. If
you are looking for "Risk Free", stay in bed.