Now that jet ownership is so inexpensive...

B A R R Y wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:50:54 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:


Where in hell does this guy live? GA flying is almost non-existent
over 95% of America.

I live in the 5%, here in Central CT.

At any given time on a nice day, I can see at least (3) single engine
aircraft in flight, and often one bizjet.

I live 15 miles from the nearest airport, but there are (5) paved and
one grass strip inside of 25 miles, and a total of (8) within 35.

My house is on the north end of a practice area used by many schools.
I can watch stalls and steep turns from my deck.

I must live in that same 5% too - here in rural Oregon. According to Google
Earth, within 15 miles of where I live there a

3 private grass airstrips (OR57, 82OR, and 36OR),
2 public airports (77S and 61S), and ...
6 alleged bigfoot "sightings" (I accidently had "Geographic Web" - "Google
Earth Community" checked and it displayed sighting points. Thought it would
be amusing to list the count.)

And within 35 miles:

14 private grass airstrips(!) (too many too list),
4 public airports (77S, 61S, KEUG, and 5S0), and ...
too many alleged bigfoot sightings to list.

When we get a day of nice weather after a long spell of lousy weather (like
today) we almost always get someone doing aerobatics in our area (from out
of 77S).

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:01:39 +0000, B A R R Y wrote:

I live in the 5%, here in Central CT.

Lucky!

I live under a frequent departure route for TEB. If I was one of those
that got a kick out of IDing those, I'd be quite happy. But jets are
jets to me.

The occasional light GA plane passing by gets a lot more attention.

Well, at least my attention. I'm a little worried that my kids are still
enjoying the jet traffic. Sigh

- Andrew

On Mar 13, 8:29*pm, "gatt" wrote:
From the article "Owning a Private Jet is Cheap" *athttp://ezinearticles..com/?Owning-a-Private-Jet-is-Cheap&id=1007987:

"Owning your own jet may not be as unrealistic as you may have thought.
There are now thousands of business executives, athletes, and celebrities
flying their own personal jets every day. The idea of having this personal
mode of transportation is no longer for just the billionaires and world
leaders.

....A small jet that could carry 4-8 passengers would usually cost between
$3 to $4 million dollars about a decade ago, but now it could be yours for
roughly $1 million."

DUDE! *I had no idea that for a measily million dollars I wouldn't have to
stand in line at the airport! * * I wonder how much I could get for my jeep,
my boat, my house, my retirement, my kidney... *...no, I probably need that
to pass the physical to fly the jet... * * * * What has the entire American
middle class and the other 98% of the world been THINKING, man? *Jets are
CHEAP!

"Next time you are on a crowded plane and looking down at your small cup of
soda and the ridiculously small portion of old pretzels, just remember you
could be flying in style in your own relatively affordable jet."

Here's an even more reasonable idea: *Buy half a million dollars of pretzels
and soda and use the other half million for air travel. *That way, you'll
always have pretzels and soda.

-c

I've seen used Leers going for less than some piston singles. Know
what you mean though.

Wil

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT), William Hung wrote:

I've seen used Leers going for less than some piston singles. Know
what you mean though.

Wil

Which begs the economic question when does the VLJ (lite versions coming
~ Eclipse ECJ) cross the expense analysis with a high end twin?
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just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

"WJRFlyBoy" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT), William Hung wrote:

I've seen used Leers going for less than some piston singles. Know
what you mean though.

Wil

Which begs the economic question when does the VLJ (lite versions coming
~ Eclipse ECJ) cross the expense analysis with a high end twin?

It already has crossed, at least in terms of the Eclipse - not no much so
for other models.

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:03:01 -0400, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Which begs the economic question when does the VLJ (lite versions coming
~ Eclipse ECJ) cross the expense analysis with a high end twin?

Last time I looked, a Baron 58 would set you back $1.2 million... so there
ya go.
--
Dallas

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:28:16 -0500, Dallas wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:03:01 -0400, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Which begs the economic question when does the VLJ (lite versions coming
~ Eclipse ECJ) cross the expense analysis with a high end twin?

It already has crossed, at least in terms of the Eclipse - not no much so
for other models.


Last time I looked, a Baron 58 would set you back $1.2 million... so there
ya go.

I was thinking more than the simple acquisition costs (additional pilot
training, maintenace, fuel, insurances)
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I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor,
just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that
might kill someone.

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:12:31 -0400, WJRFlyBoy
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:28:16 -0500, Dallas wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:03:01 -0400, WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Which begs the economic question when does the VLJ (lite versions coming
~ Eclipse ECJ) cross the expense analysis with a high end twin?

It already has crossed, at least in terms of the Eclipse - not no much so
for other models.


Last time I looked, a Baron 58 would set you back $1.2 million... so there
ya go.

I was thinking more than the simple acquisition costs (additional pilot
training, maintenace, fuel, insurances)

It's not a jet, but still turbine powered and about twice the cost of
some VLJs but...When I was looking at a TBM-700 insurance was $25,000
a year, At the time I was instrument rated with a tad over a 1000
hours, but no turbine time. The VLJs are a little faster, but as I
recall, not a great deal.

Insurance requirements we 200 hours dual after the two week company
training course and recurrency training twice a year.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Mar 13, 8:29*pm, "gatt" wrote:
From the article "Owning a Private Jet is Cheap" *athttp://ezinearticles..com/?Owning-a-Private-Jet-is-Cheap&id=1007987:

"Owning your own jet may not be as unrealistic as you may have thought.
There are now thousands of business executives, athletes, and celebrities
flying their own personal jets every day. The idea of having this personal
mode of transportation is no longer for just the billionaires and world
leaders.

....A small jet that could carry 4-8 passengers would usually cost between
$3 to $4 million dollars about a decade ago, but now it could be yours for
roughly $1 million."

DUDE! *I had no idea that for a measily million dollars I wouldn't have to
stand in line at the airport! * * I wonder how much I could get for my jeep,
my boat, my house, my retirement, my kidney... *...no, I probably need that
to pass the physical to fly the jet... * * * * What has the entire American
middle class and the other 98% of the world been THINKING, man? *Jets are
CHEAP!

"Next time you are on a crowded plane and looking down at your small cup of
soda and the ridiculously small portion of old pretzels, just remember you
could be flying in style in your own relatively affordable jet."

Here's an even more reasonable idea: *Buy half a million dollars of pretzels
and soda and use the other half million for air travel. *That way, you'll
always have pretzels and soda.

-c

I hope all these people like being flown around because there is no
way the insurance companies are going to let these people fly their
own planes.