Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

On Mar 23, 7:22*pm, BobR wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:39*pm, wrote:





On Mar 23, 3:44*pm, Peter Clark

wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't
add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new
Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill.
Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA
and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777.

I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their
visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won).
He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers
to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or
less.

This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from
the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun
rant.

*Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq

He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian
owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a
week that it's all in this guy's head?- Hide quoted text -

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I got a notion that there is more to this than meets the eye. What if
the guy bought the plane in Florida, he would owe the sales taxes on
it. I can think of other scenarios that could cause this to happen. I
don't know but I am very skeptical of anything that comes from
campbell. So far we have only heard one side of this story.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq- Hide quoted text -

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Specific Exemptions

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An aircraft may be purchased tax-exempt if it is sold by or through a
registered dealer to a nonresident purchaser who will remove the
aircraft from this state. Within 5 days of the date of sale, the
dealer must provide DOR with a copy of the invoice, bill of sale, and/
or closing statement; and the original, signed, removal affidavit.

Tax will not be due if either of the following requirements are met:

The aircraft must be removed from Florida within 10 days from the date
of sale.
If the aircraft needs repairs, additions, or alterations, it must
immediately be placed in a repair facility registered with DOR and
removed from Florida within 20 days from the date the work is
complete.
The purchaser must also meet these requirements:

Sign an affidavit attesting that the purchaser has read the applicable
rules and law regarding the exemption claimed and will timely remove
the aircraft as required.
Within 10 days of removal, furnish DOR with proof that the aircraft
left Florida (submit copies of receipts for fuel charges, tie-down
charges, or repair or hangar charges from outside Florida).
Within 30 days of departure, furnish DOR with written proof that the
aircraft was licensed, registered, titled, and hangared outside
Florida.
This exemption does not apply to sales to Florida residents,
corporations whose officers or directors are Florida residents, or
other entities whose controlling individual is a Florida resident.

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Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. *Based on these, there
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Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Harry K

Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. *Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



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Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted
text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



- Show quoted text -

Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine
case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge
and the case is now headed to court...

Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know.
Peter

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:45:41 -0400, "Peter Dohm"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
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Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted
text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



- Show quoted text -

Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine
case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge
and the case is now headed to court...

Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know.
Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with
the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify
things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a
big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to
protect those flying into SnF.

The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I
understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA
is the state of Florida.
Peter


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Peter Clark wrote:
He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian
owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a
week that it's all in this guy's head?

I've read the Florida state law in question and it is clear the alleged
Meridian and Cirrus owners in question have plenty of legal recourse.
The law clearly is on his side if the claims of the original story are
true. The following Aero-News Network (ANN) story appears to suggest to
me that ANN is specifically trying to damage SnF:

http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialCont...616eab2&cat=21

Does the above story sound objective to you? Is the author attacking
Florida or SnF? It reads to me like there is an axe being ground against
SnF.

Furthermore, I can't find a byline on any of the Aero-News Network
stories on this issue - it would be nice to contact the reporter and
request further evidence. If the people who were forced to pay the tax
were indeed innocent, I would fully expect them to want to share
their outrage. After all, at this late date the aircraft owners
allegedly have nothing more to lose if their claims and those of the ANN
reporter are legitimate.

Lastly, check out the following thread on another forum:

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...d.php?p=278784

The post there by a Ken Ibold (allegedly a resident of Florida) suggests
the ANN story is a case of poor reporting at best.

Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialCont...616eab2&cat=21

Does the above story sound objective to you? Is the author attacking
Florida or SnF? It reads to me like there is an axe being ground
against SnF.

I should have scrolled down farther past the article and perused the
list of stories under "More Headlines". There was no need for me to
qualify the issue - ANN by its own admission is out to destroy SnF.

In rec.aviation.owning Jim Logajan wrote:
Peter Clark wrote:
He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian
owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a
week that it's all in this guy's head?

I've read the Florida state law in question and it is clear the alleged
Meridian and Cirrus owners in question have plenty of legal recourse.
The law clearly is on his side if the claims of the original story are
true. The following Aero-News Network (ANN) story appears to suggest to
me that ANN is specifically trying to damage SnF:

http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialCont...616eab2&cat=21

Does the above story sound objective to you? Is the author attacking
Florida or SnF? It reads to me like there is an axe being ground against
SnF.

Furthermore, I can't find a byline on any of the Aero-News Network
stories on this issue - it would be nice to contact the reporter and
request further evidence. If the people who were forced to pay the tax
were indeed innocent, I would fully expect them to want to share
their outrage. After all, at this late date the aircraft owners
allegedly have nothing more to lose if their claims and those of the ANN
reporter are legitimate.

Lastly, check out the following thread on another forum:

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...d.php?p=278784

The post there by a Ken Ibold (allegedly a resident of Florida) suggests
the ANN story is a case of poor reporting at best.

If so, he has the AOPA and Phil Boyer on the hook too.

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html

"The state Department of Revenue has recently been charging Florida
use tax on -any- airplane that is brought to the state within six
months of being bought if the owner did not pay at least 6-percent
sales tax at the time of purchase."

Emphasis on the word "any" is mine.


--
Jim Pennino

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