Getting confused with ATC order...Violation?

On Apr 6, 11:35 pm, wrote:

It isn't the real MX.

While the imitation of his style isn't bad, I would give it a B-, mostly
for effort.

For a fun game, how many words, phrases, and statements can you find the
real MX would never use or say.

There are some consistencies, so he must be a long time fan of MX.

My vote is that this is WJRFlyBoy.

He claimed to be leaving to go work on his PPL in one post, his ME in
another.

I think he simply HAS to post, and so will spoof other IDs just to be
able to say something, however worthless and spurious.

He's a monstrosity.


Dan McCormack

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:35:03 GMT, wrote:


Sucker.

It isn't the real MX.

Thank you so much for pointing out what is most important to you. :-)

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On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:14:28 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
One of the advantages of simulation is that it's not constrained by money
issues, which means that I don't have to fly tin cans over grass runways at
barely above walking speed.

While the idiot's in my kill file, I have to respond to this (which Larry
quoted)...

I'm about to drop a heart-stopping amount of money on my very own brand new
tin can which will fly over grass, or hard surfaced, runways at considerably
over walking speed. There's a simple reason that I'm doing it, and it's one
that you'll never understand until you've been up in a small airplane for
yourself. If you don't understand, there's no amount of explanation that
will help.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

Larry Dighera writes:

Without intending to join the chorus, I respectfully submit, that you
have no concept of the joyous experience you are missing. Trust me.


I think it depends on what you want to get out of aviation. Clearly, many
private pilots get enjoyment out of bouncing around in a tiny airplane. They
probably enjoy roller-coasters, too (whereas I do not).

A new student pilot flying solo is at last free to wander in the third
dimension unconstrained as the vast majority of Earth bound souls are.
He soars from the surface of the Earth, and effortlessly guides his
light aircraft higher with such nimble agility, that the machine
mentally melds into his nervous system in a rapture of pure Zen
integration of spirit, mind and machine. He was born with wings, and
is as skillful and free as Bach's Jonathan. The pilot's visceral
reaction to the sights, sounds, smells, and kinesthetic cacophony's
endless bombardment of sensory input result in a unique ambiance that
is aviation. The pilot's post-flight consciousness is clear and
refreshed as though just squeegeed, and the world is a bright,
cheerful home indeed. Although he walks the same flat plane at the
juncture of atmosphere and terra as his fellows, he carries the
knowledge and experiences of the joy of flight, and the power to soar
at will.

Not quite as poetic as _High Flight_ or as direct as _One Six Right_, but a
respectable effort.

Get out to the closest uncontrolled field (I visited one north of
Othus in 2000*) at which is based an Air France Aero Club. Beg a ride
with one of the members on a fair Saturday morning. You'll thank me.

And if I discover that I don't like it?

People fly that way in France because the environment is so restrictive that
they have no other options. All they can do, from what I've understood, is
putter around in tiny airplanes at tiny airfields, as they are effectively
barred from anything more complicated or comfortable.

Mxsmanic wrote:

And if I discover that I don't like it?

Don't do it again.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Larry Dighera writes:

Without intending to join the chorus, I respectfully submit, that you
have no concept of the joyous experience you are missing. Trust me.


I think it depends on what you want to get out of aviation. Clearly,
many private pilots get enjoyment out of bouncing around in a tiny
airplane. They probably enjoy roller-coasters, too (whereas I do
not).

Anthony, you don't want to get anything out of aviation. For you,
aviation is just a game played on MSFS. That can be fun, but it is NOT
flying and you have deluded yourself into thinking it is. You should move
to a mental institution because you need help.

A new student pilot flying solo is at last free to wander in the
third dimension unconstrained as the vast majority of Earth bound
souls are. He soars from the surface of the Earth, and effortlessly
guides his light aircraft higher with such nimble agility, that the
machine mentally melds into his nervous system in a rapture of pure
Zen integration of spirit, mind and machine. He was born with wings,
and is as skillful and free as Bach's Jonathan. The pilot's visceral
reaction to the sights, sounds, smells, and kinesthetic cacophony's
endless bombardment of sensory input result in a unique ambiance that
is aviation. The pilot's post-flight consciousness is clear and
refreshed as though just squeegeed, and the world is a bright,
cheerful home indeed. Although he walks the same flat plane at the
juncture of atmosphere and terra as his fellows, he carries the
knowledge and experiences of the joy of flight, and the power to soar
at will.

Not quite as poetic as _High Flight_ or as direct as _One Six Right_,
but a respectable effort.

Get out to the closest uncontrolled field (I visited one north of
Othus in 2000*) at which is based an Air France Aero Club. Beg a
ride with one of the members on a fair Saturday morning. You'll
thank me.

And if I discover that I don't like it?

Then stop. But you will know the difference between playing MSFS and
flying. You don't do it because your too chicken ****. You're afraid
you'll be force to recognize that all your pontifications about flying in
the usenet newsgroups were pure bull ****, just like you.

People fly that way in France because the environment is so
restrictive that they have no other options. All they can do, from
what I've understood, is putter around in tiny airplanes at tiny
airfields, as they are effectively barred from anything more
complicated or comfortable.

You're understanding is wrong. Just like you.

In article ,
says...
Dave Doe writes:

No, you *know* you're flying a simulation, and the brain *knows* that,
and you *know* you can't get into *real* trouble.

Actually, intelligent people are able to get past this. Anyone who is
completely unable to forget that he is engaging in a simulation will have a
hard time getting any utility out of simulation at all. Fortunately, like
Method actors, smart simulator users do not constantly tell themselves that
it's a simulation but instead try to pretend that it's real.

Pretend, being the operative word. Only kids have plausable dualistic
minds. Perhaps that's you. The rest of us have grown up.


When they do
this successfully the usefulness of the simulation is hugely enhanced.

Enhanced, being the operative word there.

It's not reality, and you *cannot* escape that. To do so - and you
should be put in a mental asylum - no longer being able to distinguish
between reality and fantasy is considered by good psychologists to
dangerous.

dribble snipped

Additionally, like most sim folk, you've probably done things very
differently from the real world (eg. you've mentioned you've flown
heavies). Well in real life, you start off doing a PPL. You don't
progress until you've done that.

That is irrelevant for purposes of ATC. However, as it happens, I flew small
aircraft in the sim first.

It most certainly is not!

rest of your dribbling excuse snipped

You fly a sim and yet are unable to "put yourself in the seat" - that's
counter to your argument in the first place. (It's a sim, and you're
telling me you can't simulate it - pathetic really).

--
Duncan

Dave Doe writes:

Pretend, being the operative word.

Pretending is extremely important to using simulators successfully. If you
cannot pretend--if you cannot suspend disbelief--you cannot really profit from
the simulator. Conversely, if you can do these things, using a simulator can
be extremely useful experience.

Only kids have plausable dualistic minds. Perhaps that's you. The rest
of us have grown up.

It's a function of intelligence more than age. The ability to adopt a
different viewpoint and voluntarily and selectively disregard aspects of
reality or fantasy at will is very closely correlated with intelligence, as it
requires considerable cognitive capacity. Animals have less intelligence and
virtually no imaginations, for example, and thus could never make much use of
simulators.

Enhanced, being the operative word there.

Yes.

It's not reality, and you *cannot* escape that.

Well, yes, you can. That's the whole idea. I've already explained the
principle above.

To do so - and you
should be put in a mental asylum - no longer being able to distinguish
between reality and fantasy is considered by good psychologists to
dangerous.

The inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy has nothing to do
with the ability to adopt either frame of reference.

Things like literary fiction and cinema depend on this ability, and it is
widely held and uncorrelated with mental illness. It is, in fact, a function
of intelligence, not insanity, as I've explained.

It most certainly is not!

Because you say so? ATC is extremely easy to simulate realistically compared
to other aspects of flying.

You fly a sim and yet are unable to "put yourself in the seat" - that's
counter to your argument in the first place. (It's a sim, and you're
telling me you can't simulate it - pathetic really).

I can put myself wherever I see fit in simulation, sometimes with varying
success (depending on the desired viewpoint and the type of simulation).
There are some aspects that I find more attractive and enjoyable than others.
An advantage of simulation is that I have a choice.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Dave Doe writes:

Pretend, being the operative word.

Pretending is extremely important to using simulators successfully.
If you cannot pretend--if you cannot suspend disbelief--you cannot
really profit from the simulator. Conversely, if you can do these
things, using a simulator can be extremely useful experience.

Only kids have plausable dualistic minds. Perhaps that's you. The
rest of us have grown up.

It's a function of intelligence more than age. The ability to adopt a
different viewpoint and voluntarily and selectively disregard aspects
of reality or fantasy at will is very closely correlated with
intelligence, as it requires considerable cognitive capacity. Animals
have less intelligence and virtually no imaginations, for example, and
thus could never make much use of simulators.

Enhanced, being the operative word there.

Yes.

It's not reality, and you *cannot* escape that.

Well, yes, you can. That's the whole idea. I've already explained
the principle above.

To do so - and you
should be put in a mental asylum - no longer being able to
distinguish between reality and fantasy is considered by good
psychologists to dangerous.

The inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy has nothing
to do with the ability to adopt either frame of reference.

Things like literary fiction and cinema depend on this ability, and it
is widely held and uncorrelated with mental illness. It is, in fact,
a function of intelligence, not insanity, as I've explained.

It most certainly is not!

Because you say so? ATC is extremely easy to simulate realistically
compared to other aspects of flying.

You fly a sim and yet are unable to "put yourself in the seat" -
that's counter to your argument in the first place. (It's a sim, and
you're telling me you can't simulate it - pathetic really).

I can put myself wherever I see fit in simulation, sometimes with
varying success (depending on the desired viewpoint and the type of
simulation). There are some aspects that I find more attractive and
enjoyable than others. An advantage of simulation is that I have a
choice.

It is obvious, Anthony, that you are the product of simulated sex and
only imagines you have a life. And, given how badly you've done in your
imagined life, your imagination is severley deficient.