How much longer?

In article Jim Logajan writes:
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

3. New nuclear power plants are not being built because draconian
environmental rules prevent their construction. As of now all
environmental restrictions on construction of new nuclear plants are
lifted.

Not needed:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...n6xZeeLKqBXnLg


Oh, in my previous post, I forgot to mention the drawback that next time the
government decides to run in circles about security from aircraft, they will
probably ban us from flying near these nuclear plants again, so not all is
good about them.

Last time they were including a small plant that had been decomissioned in 1967,
and had no nuclear material remaining on site. It just sat in a major VFR flyway.

Alan

Oh, in my previous post, I forgot to mention the drawback that next time
the
government decides to run in circles about security from aircraft, they
will
probably ban us from flying near these nuclear plants again, so not all is
good about them.

I believe that issue has been reasonably addressed with the Feds. See these
videos to know why:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...crete-wall.wmv

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga..._test_slow.mpg

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...4crashtest.mpg
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Alan" wrote in message
...
In article Jim Logajan
writes:
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

3. New nuclear power plants are not being built because draconian
environmental rules prevent their construction. As of now all
environmental restrictions on construction of new nuclear plants are
lifted.

Not needed:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...n6xZeeLKqBXnLg


Oh, in my previous post, I forgot to mention the drawback that next time
the
government decides to run in circles about security from aircraft, they
will
probably ban us from flying near these nuclear plants again, so not all is
good about them.

Last time they were including a small plant that had been decomissioned
in 1967,
and had no nuclear material remaining on site. It just sat in a major VFR
flyway.

Alan

Jay Honeck wrote:
I think your desire to blame environmentalists is an
oversimplification of a complicated situation. I think your
description of short-sighted leadership is probably pretty correct,
but not for the reasons you like to believe.

Of course there are many aspects of the energy problem. They are all,
however, exacerbated by stupid, over-the-top environmental rules that
are abused by folks with a not-so-hidden agenda.

Just TRY to get something as simple as, oh, say, a runway extension
completed, and observe the almost unbelievable quantity of environmental
red tape that must be overcome. Now imagine building an OIL REFINERY.
Ain't gonna happen with the current set of rules.

If I were "King for a day", I would decree the following "4 Steps to
American Energy Independence":

1. New refineries are not being built because draconian environmental
rules prevent them from being constructed. As of now, all environmental
restrictions on oil refinery construction are lifted.

2. New oil is not being pumped because draconian environmental rules
prevent new oil fields from being developed. As of now all
environmental restrictions on development of known oil reserves are lifted.

3. New nuclear power plants are not being built because draconian
environmental rules prevent their construction. As of now all
environmental restrictions on construction of new nuclear plants are
lifted.

4. By decree, hydrogen fuel is now the way of the future -- period.
From this point on, by my decree, the scientific and industrial
capacity of the United States will be used to perfect a hydrogen
distribution system to replace our current gasoline distribution system,
and all cars will be powered by hydrogen. Source:
http://tinyurl.com/6hklhf

These four steps will, in a matter of a decade, resolve 90% of our
problems. Unfortunately, it will take another Great Depression to shake
our system enough to force a repeal of the environmental restrictions
that make resolving our energy problems impossible.

Well, Jay, just let me say I'm glad you aren't king! :-)

Jay Honeck wrote:


1. New refineries are not being built because draconian environmental
rules prevent them from being constructed. As of now, all environmental
restrictions on oil refinery construction are lifted.

A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard. Any way you
cut it, oil companies undeniably have the profits to build refineries,
but where is it going to be located?
You can't blame environmentalists for everything you don't like. Over
the last almost eight years I haven't noticed any environmentalists
running the show in Washington. Quite the opposite, in fact, but the
price of oil continues to climb, obviously due to factors other than
your phantom environmentalists.

You can't blame environmentalists for everything you don't like. Over the
last almost eight years I haven't noticed any environmentalists running
the show in Washington. Quite the opposite, in fact, but the price of oil
continues to climb, obviously due to factors other than your phantom
environmentalists.

Reality check he Politicians in Washington don't run the country --
bureaucrats (who persist from election cycle to election cycle) do.
Whether it's Republicrats or Democrans matters not, in the short term.

Over the last forty years, environmentalists have innocently and quietly
influenced the wording and structure of our regulations in a way that has
ultimately made it quite impossible to address our current energy issues.
It's all been innocuous, and "for the children" -- but it's completely
hog-tied us now that we really ARE in an energy bind.

Which, of course, anyone who knows the "Law of Unintended Consequences"
predicted long ago.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:38:30 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

You can't blame environmentalists for everything you don't like. Over the
last almost eight years I haven't noticed any environmentalists running
the show in Washington. Quite the opposite, in fact, but the price of oil
continues to climb, obviously due to factors other than your phantom
environmentalists.

Reality check he Politicians in Washington don't run the country --
bureaucrats (who persist from election cycle to election cycle) do.
Whether it's Republicrats or Democrans matters not, in the short term.

Over the last forty years, environmentalists have innocently and quietly
influenced the wording and structure of our regulations in a way that has
ultimately made it quite impossible to address our current energy issues.
It's all been innocuous, and "for the children" -- but it's completely
hog-tied us now that we really ARE in an energy bind.

Horse hockey.

We've painted ourselves into a corner by building an economy based on
unrenewable, cheap energy.


Which, of course, anyone who knows the "Law of Unintended Consequences"
predicted long ago.

Anyone knowing the law of supply and demand, you mean.

On 2008-04-09, Jay Honeck wrote:
Over the last forty years, environmentalists have innocently and quietly
influenced the wording and structure of our regulations in a way that has
ultimately made it quite impossible to address our current energy issues.

That's patently untrue.

Environmental regulation, on the other hand, has at least made those of
us who have oil refineries in their back yard a reasonable quality of
life.

It's all been innocuous, and "for the children" -- but it's completely
hog-tied us now that we really ARE in an energy bind.

It's for the adults, too. I've lived in an oil town, and even with the
environmental regulations we have today, the sky still turns green over
La Porte, and after flying a clean aircraft for a half hour, you land
and there's a film of gunk adhering to the leading edges of everything.
This is Texas City, Baytown, La Porte and most of the east side of
Houston today, not a story from antiquity. If you're flying the ILS into
Galveston, you can do without a marker beacon in your panel - the air
gets a unique stench as you approach the outer marker (and for most of
the rest of the approach). Texas City residents just have to live with
that stench.

The examiner I had for my instrument rating checkride came from Beaumont.
He's the lived the longest out of any member of his recent family - 50
years old. When he was a kid growing up, the rivers used to catch fire.

If that's what you really want, are you prepared to live in an oil town?
It's terribly easy to sit in rural Iowa and decree that oil towns should
be cancerous armpits. Having lived in an oil town, I think the
environmental regulations aren't tight enough.

Why don't you campaign locally to get oil refineries set up in Iowa
City?

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

Dylan,

If that's what you really want, are you prepared to live in an oil town?
It's terribly easy to sit in rural Iowa and decree that oil towns should
be cancerous armpits. Having lived in an oil town, I think the
environmental regulations aren't tight enough.


Dammit, you're gonna make him lose the love for the group again.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On 2008-04-10, Dylan Smith wrote:
It's for the adults, too. I've lived in an oil town, and even with the
environmental regulations we have today, the sky still turns green over
La Porte, and after flying a clean aircraft for a half hour, you land
and there's a film of gunk adhering to the leading edges of everything.
This is Texas City, Baytown, La Porte and most of the east side of
Houston today, not a story from antiquity. If you're flying the ILS into
Galveston, you can do without a marker beacon in your panel - the air
gets a unique stench as you approach the outer marker (and for most of
the rest of the approach). Texas City residents just have to live with
that stench.

I lived in Houston well past my 40th birthday. I learned to fly out of
Ellington Field, and flew back and forth to Galveston to practice. I didn't
notice any of this.

I'd be happy to have a refinery in Fairmont. It won't happen, though, as the
regulatory climate in Minnesota is extremely anti-oil.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

romeomike schrieb:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.

So maybe Jay should jump in and start a petition (he is good in such
things) for an oil raffinery close to his hotel and to the airport and a
nuclear power plant close to his home.

#m