A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Piloting
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

How much longer?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old April 10th 08, 12:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 713
Default How much longer?

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:38:30 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

You can't blame environmentalists for everything you don't like. Over the
last almost eight years I haven't noticed any environmentalists running
the show in Washington. Quite the opposite, in fact, but the price of oil
continues to climb, obviously due to factors other than your phantom
environmentalists.


Reality check he Politicians in Washington don't run the country --
bureaucrats (who persist from election cycle to election cycle) do.
Whether it's Republicrats or Democrans matters not, in the short term.

Over the last forty years, environmentalists have innocently and quietly
influenced the wording and structure of our regulations in a way that has
ultimately made it quite impossible to address our current energy issues.
It's all been innocuous, and "for the children" -- but it's completely
hog-tied us now that we really ARE in an energy bind.


Horse hockey.

We've painted ourselves into a corner by building an economy based on
unrenewable, cheap energy.


Which, of course, anyone who knows the "Law of Unintended Consequences"
predicted long ago.


Anyone knowing the law of supply and demand, you mean.
  #2  
Old April 10th 08, 10:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dylan Smith
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 530
Default How much longer?

On 2008-04-09, Jay Honeck wrote:
Over the last forty years, environmentalists have innocently and quietly
influenced the wording and structure of our regulations in a way that has
ultimately made it quite impossible to address our current energy issues.


That's patently untrue.

Environmental regulation, on the other hand, has at least made those of
us who have oil refineries in their back yard a reasonable quality of
life.

It's all been innocuous, and "for the children" -- but it's completely
hog-tied us now that we really ARE in an energy bind.


It's for the adults, too. I've lived in an oil town, and even with the
environmental regulations we have today, the sky still turns green over
La Porte, and after flying a clean aircraft for a half hour, you land
and there's a film of gunk adhering to the leading edges of everything.
This is Texas City, Baytown, La Porte and most of the east side of
Houston today, not a story from antiquity. If you're flying the ILS into
Galveston, you can do without a marker beacon in your panel - the air
gets a unique stench as you approach the outer marker (and for most of
the rest of the approach). Texas City residents just have to live with
that stench.

The examiner I had for my instrument rating checkride came from Beaumont.
He's the lived the longest out of any member of his recent family - 50
years old. When he was a kid growing up, the rivers used to catch fire.

If that's what you really want, are you prepared to live in an oil town?
It's terribly easy to sit in rural Iowa and decree that oil towns should
be cancerous armpits. Having lived in an oil town, I think the
environmental regulations aren't tight enough.

Why don't you campaign locally to get oil refineries set up in Iowa
City?

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
  #3  
Old April 10th 08, 12:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,749
Default How much longer?

Dylan,

If that's what you really want, are you prepared to live in an oil town?
It's terribly easy to sit in rural Iowa and decree that oil towns should
be cancerous armpits. Having lived in an oil town, I think the
environmental regulations aren't tight enough.


Dammit, you're gonna make him lose the love for the group again.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

  #4  
Old April 10th 08, 12:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,969
Default How much longer?

Thomas Borchert wrote in
:

Dylan,

If that's what you really want, are you prepared to live in an oil town?
It's terribly easy to sit in rural Iowa and decree that oil towns should
be cancerous armpits. Having lived in an oil town, I think the
environmental regulations aren't tight enough.


Dammit, you're gonna make him lose the love for the group again.


ewww, the image that just conjured up...

Shudder..

Bertie
  #5  
Old April 10th 08, 12:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Maynard
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 521
Default How much longer?

On 2008-04-10, Dylan Smith wrote:
It's for the adults, too. I've lived in an oil town, and even with the
environmental regulations we have today, the sky still turns green over
La Porte, and after flying a clean aircraft for a half hour, you land
and there's a film of gunk adhering to the leading edges of everything.
This is Texas City, Baytown, La Porte and most of the east side of
Houston today, not a story from antiquity. If you're flying the ILS into
Galveston, you can do without a marker beacon in your panel - the air
gets a unique stench as you approach the outer marker (and for most of
the rest of the approach). Texas City residents just have to live with
that stench.


I lived in Houston well past my 40th birthday. I learned to fly out of
Ellington Field, and flew back and forth to Galveston to practice. I didn't
notice any of this.

I'd be happy to have a refinery in Fairmont. It won't happen, though, as the
regulatory climate in Minnesota is extremely anti-oil.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
  #6  
Old April 10th 08, 01:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dylan Smith
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 530
Default How much longer?

On 2008-04-10, Jay Maynard wrote:
I lived in Houston well past my 40th birthday. I learned to fly out of
Ellington Field, and flew back and forth to Galveston to practice. I didn't
notice any of this.


You must be quite unobservant. The Ellington field area is quite near
refineryland. From Houston Gulf, where I was based (until it closed
down), on a clear day looking north over Clear Lake, the air quite
obviously had a green tinge (more so if there was a temperature
inversion). The smell is very strong if you drive up to La Porte
airport past the refineries themselves. Looking south to Texas City, you
could often see a greenish haze there too, although not as dense as the
La Porte/Belaire/Baytown area. Our aircraft had a nice clean paint job
and lots of polished surfaces, the film of light brown gunk on all the
leading edges soon became noticable.

If you couldn't smell the outer marker when approaching Galveston then
you've no sense of smell or were remarkably unobservant. In League City
where I lived, when the wind was out of the north the smell of
petrochemicals was very noticable, and nearly everyone commented about
the smelly air.

Whenever I go to Houston now, the smell when you leave the terminal at
IAH is noticable, even though that's some distance away from the
main refinery areas. I never used to notice it that far out when I
actually lived there, probably because that's just how the air was and I
didn't really notice it any more.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
  #7  
Old April 10th 08, 01:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Maynard
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 521
Default How much longer?

On 2008-04-10, Dylan Smith wrote:
Our aircraft had a nice clean paint job and lots of polished surfaces, the
film of light brown gunk on all the leading edges soon became noticable.


This wasn't an issue for any of the aircraft in the Ellington Field Aero
Club for as long as I was a member.

If you couldn't smell the outer marker when approaching Galveston then
you've no sense of smell or were remarkably unobservant. In League City
where I lived, when the wind was out of the north the smell of
petrochemicals was very noticable, and nearly everyone commented about
the smelly air.


I, too, lived in League City (in fact, I was a volunteer paramedic there for
over a decade), and nobody commented on it in my presence.

Whenever I go to Houston now, the smell when you leave the terminal at
IAH is noticable, even though that's some distance away from the
main refinery areas. I never used to notice it that far out when I
actually lived there, probably because that's just how the air was and I
didn't really notice it any more.


I still don't notice it, there or down in League City. I do notice it just a
little bit along Texas 225 out toward the Battleship Texas, but how many
refineries are out that way?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)
  #8  
Old April 10th 08, 01:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 713
Default How much longer?

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:46:34 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-04-10, Dylan Smith wrote:
It's for the adults, too. I've lived in an oil town, and even with the
environmental regulations we have today, the sky still turns green over
La Porte, and after flying a clean aircraft for a half hour, you land
and there's a film of gunk adhering to the leading edges of everything.
This is Texas City, Baytown, La Porte and most of the east side of
Houston today, not a story from antiquity. If you're flying the ILS into
Galveston, you can do without a marker beacon in your panel - the air
gets a unique stench as you approach the outer marker (and for most of
the rest of the approach). Texas City residents just have to live with
that stench.


I lived in Houston well past my 40th birthday. I learned to fly out of
Ellington Field, and flew back and forth to Galveston to practice. I didn't
notice any of this.


You must have lived in the alternate universe Houston.

I was born and raised there. I vividly remember a family reunion
picnic being driven from Milby Park by the stench of a nearby chemical
plant.

Houston, despite being located on a flat plain near the ocean, is
regularly among the smoggiest cities in the U. S. L. A. at least has
the excuse of being in a basin that traps the gunk.

http://www.ewg.org/reports/fuzzyair


I'd be happy to have a refinery in Fairmont. It won't happen, though, as the
regulatory climate in Minnesota is extremely anti-oil.


Refiners know they can beat environmental rules by upgrading existing
plants that are "grandfathered." They don't need to build new ones.
  #9  
Old April 9th 08, 06:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Martin Hotze[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 201
Default How much longer?

romeomike schrieb:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.


So maybe Jay should jump in and start a petition (he is good in such
things) for an oil raffinery close to his hotel and to the airport and a
nuclear power plant close to his home.

#m
  #10  
Old April 9th 08, 10:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
romeomike
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 39
Default How much longer?

Martin Hotze wrote:
romeomike schrieb:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.


So maybe Jay should jump in and start a petition (he is good in such
things) for an oil raffinery close to his hotel and to the airport and a
nuclear power plant close to his home.

#m


No, he'd want some environmentalists to come use all those regulations
he detests to save HIS environment.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My 302 and PDA are no longer on speaking terms Dixie Sierra Soaring 4 September 10th 07 05:16 PM
Some IFR GPS's no longer useable kevmor Instrument Flight Rules 2 May 28th 07 02:27 AM
Jepp no longer in the GA business...? John Harper Instrument Flight Rules 30 June 17th 04 10:49 PM
Some airmen facing longer deployments Otis Willie Military Aviation 0 January 16th 04 08:34 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.