How much longer?

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:46:34 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-04-10, Dylan Smith wrote:
It's for the adults, too. I've lived in an oil town, and even with the
environmental regulations we have today, the sky still turns green over
La Porte, and after flying a clean aircraft for a half hour, you land
and there's a film of gunk adhering to the leading edges of everything.
This is Texas City, Baytown, La Porte and most of the east side of
Houston today, not a story from antiquity. If you're flying the ILS into
Galveston, you can do without a marker beacon in your panel - the air
gets a unique stench as you approach the outer marker (and for most of
the rest of the approach). Texas City residents just have to live with
that stench.

I lived in Houston well past my 40th birthday. I learned to fly out of
Ellington Field, and flew back and forth to Galveston to practice. I didn't
notice any of this.

You must have lived in the alternate universe Houston.

I was born and raised there. I vividly remember a family reunion
picnic being driven from Milby Park by the stench of a nearby chemical
plant.

Houston, despite being located on a flat plain near the ocean, is
regularly among the smoggiest cities in the U. S. L. A. at least has
the excuse of being in a basin that traps the gunk.

http://www.ewg.org/reports/fuzzyair


I'd be happy to have a refinery in Fairmont. It won't happen, though, as the
regulatory climate in Minnesota is extremely anti-oil.

Refiners know they can beat environmental rules by upgrading existing
plants that are "grandfathered." They don't need to build new ones.

romeomike schrieb:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.

So maybe Jay should jump in and start a petition (he is good in such
things) for an oil raffinery close to his hotel and to the airport and a
nuclear power plant close to his home.

#m

Martin Hotze wrote:
romeomike schrieb:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.

So maybe Jay should jump in and start a petition (he is good in such
things) for an oil raffinery close to his hotel and to the airport and a
nuclear power plant close to his home.

#m

No, he'd want some environmentalists to come use all those regulations
he detests to save HIS environment.

A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard.

Yep. A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power plant,
the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in their
backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. And, by the way, haven't come down since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste in
the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but California
NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their state.

-c

On Apr 10, 1:42 pm, gatt wrote:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard.

Yep. A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power plant,
the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in their
backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. And, by the way, haven't come down since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste in
the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but California
NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their state.
-c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Apr 10, 1:42 pm, gatt wrote:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well
as nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his
playground. Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's
backyard.

Yep. A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power
plant, the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in
their backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. And, by the way, haven't come down
since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste
in the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but
California NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their
state. -c

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.
Ken


Good grief.

Bertie

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.


Haw-haw!

Idiot.

On Apr 10, 6:07 pm, Dan Luke wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.

Haw-haw!

Get a mirror and check out your anus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus#Composition
Dofus you think all that methane is from dinosaur
farts?
Earth's loaded with "fossil fuels", but you don't
need to know that, because you'd rather be a
sucker.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:0228d370-e42f-4ee4-
:

On Apr 10, 6:07 pm, Dan Luke wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Has them arabs worried.

Haw-haw!

Get a mirror and check out your anus.

I think you got the wrong group for that Kennie.


Bertie

On Apr 10, 3:42*pm, gatt wrote:
A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard.

Yep. *A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power plant,
the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in their
backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. *And, by the way, haven't come down since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste in
the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but California
NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their state.


A majority of people in Nevada absolutely do not want the Yucca
Mountain site to become active. They feel that the rest of the
country is trying to cram this thing down their throats, and they
resent it.

Phil