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"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On May 1, 2:42*pm, Larry Dighera wrote: Are these the same ATC personnel with whom we entrust our lives in IMC? *Very tacky. * Dude, do you even fly or do you just spend your day looking for irrelevant information on the internet? Um - why are claims that deliberate re-classification of ATC errors to pilot error not relevant for discussion on a piloting discussion group? If that's not relevant to this group, what precisely is? Flame wars between Bertie and Maxwell? |
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in : ... do you just spend your day looking for irrelevant information on the internet? Why do you feel the subject of on-the-job fraud among ATC personnel is irrelevant to an aviation newsgroup? |
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On May 1, 7:16*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary" wrote in : ... do you just spend your day looking for irrelevant information on the internet? Why do you feel the subject of on-the-job fraud among ATC personnel is irrelevant to an aviation newsgroup? * Because it doesn't seem like you are doing it to generate real discussion. You're just doing the drive-by thing. You drop little bombs on the list and see which ones generate an uproar. -Robert |
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 10:23:27 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in : On May 1, 7:16*pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary" wrote in : ... do you just spend your day looking for irrelevant information on the internet? Why do you feel the subject of on-the-job fraud among ATC personnel is irrelevant to an aviation newsgroup? * Because it doesn't seem like you are doing it to generate real discussion. So it's not that you feel that the subject of on-the-job fraud among ATC personnel is irrelevant to an aviation newsgroup, but more that you seek to discover my motivation for posting such information. You're just doing the drive-by thing. You drop little bombs on the list and see which ones generate an uproar. I attempt to provide a nucleus of information around which discussion may proceed. If I have views on the subject, I express them. If not, it is my hope that others may. I find it curious that you seek to know my mind rather than discuss the topics of the articles I post. It's flattering, but a rose on my doorstep each morning would be more enticing. :-) |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On May 1, 7:16 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Thu, 1 May 2008 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary" wrote in : ... do you just spend your day looking for irrelevant information on the internet? Why do you feel the subject of on-the-job fraud among ATC personnel is irrelevant to an aviation newsgroup? Because it doesn't seem like you are doing it to generate real discussion. You're just doing the drive-by thing. You drop little bombs on the list and see which ones generate an uproar. -Robert The FAA is "Incompetency on Parade" I think the concerns regarding the FAA are very relevant If you really want to create an "Uproar" talk about this non-politically correct taboo subject Ask FAA senior management and the airlines and the press if there is any correlation between the FAA turning to **** starting about 10 years ago(Along with the airlines going to ****) and the FAA filling their top ranks with incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions all in the name of diversity and progressiveness(Both huge SCAMS) Try that for an "Uproar" Also ask while the flames are building if white males over 40 are discriminated against in the FAA? Whooooooooooooooooooosh!!!(Sound of gasoline on fire) Ask FAA management and Congress and the Press why is the FAA CUTTING controller and technician and aircraft inspector positions while EXPANDING Civil Rights and Diversity empires in Washington D.C.(Sound of explosion) The facts are they are all true It is why the FAA is a cluster **** mess Incompetent women and blacks and white male sycophants are ruining the FAA and Government |
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:45:09 -0400, EMTAE wrote
in : It is why the FAA is a cluster **** mess Incompetent women and blacks and white male sycophants are ruining the FAA and Government Oh, I see, presuming you're not a felon, you'll be voting for Obama or perhaps Hillary. :-) |
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On May 1, 7:16*pm, Larry Dighera wrote: Why do you feel the subject of on-the-job fraud among ATC personnel is irrelevant to an aviation newsgroup? * Because it doesn't seem like you are doing it to generate real discussion. You're just doing the drive-by thing. You drop little bombs on the list and see which ones generate an uproar. A seemingly disingenuous complaint, given the huge number of totally off- topic flame posts currently appearing on the group that you haven't complained about. Or have you been posting complaints about those posts by other posters and I've simply overlooked them? |
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On May 1, 11:42*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
Are these the same ATC personnel with whom we entrust our lives in IMC? *Very tacky. * And apparently there's a history of this malfeasance at the Dallas-Fort Worth TRACON. *If found guilty, what's it going to take to get these criminals terminated from any and all government service? * *http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releas...m?newsId=10213 * * *Printer Friendly * * *Email Page * * Washington Headquarters Press Release ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- * * For Immediate Release * * April 24, 2008 * * Contact: Diane Spitaliere * * Phone: (202) 267-3883 * * FAA Takes Steps to Ensure Proper Reporting of Operational Errors * * WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced steps to strengthen the reporting system designed to classify airspace errors, in response to a report by the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Inspector General (IG) that revealed the intentional misclassification of operational errors at the Dallas-Fort Worth Terminal Approach Control (TRACON). * * In direct response to IG recommendations contained in a report issued today, the FAA removed both the facility manager and assistant manager at the Dallas-Fort Worth TRACON from their positions pending a final determination on possible further personnel actions; additional personnel actions may be taken. The Air Traffic Safety Oversight organization has implemented unannounced on-site audits at the TRACON, requiring monthly reports to the FAA’s acting administrator. Additionally, the FAA will accelerate deployment of the Traffic Analysis Review Program (TARP) — software that automatically detects losses of aircraft separation at terminal facilities — at Dallas-Fort Worth TRACON. The program will be implemented by the end of fiscal year 2008. * * “I am deeply disturbed by the findings in this report,” said Hank Krakowski, chief operating officer of the FAA’s Air Traffic Organization. “I am personally committed to making sure the IG’s recommendations are implemented and that managers are held accountable.” * * Specifically, the IG found that management at the Dallas-Fort Worth TRACON investigated operational errors and deviations, but routinely and intentionally misclassified them as pilot errors or non-events. The report was prompted by whistleblower allegations that management was covering up operational errors and deviations. It found that between November 2005 and July 2007, TRACON managers misclassified 62 air traffic events as pilot deviation or non-events when it fact there were 52 operational errors and 10 operational deviations. The IG found no evidence of misclassification issues beyond the Dallas-Fort Worth TRACON. * * Krakowski said the FAA is putting measures in place to ensure that misclassifications cannot happen anywhere else in the system. The FAA will establish a nationwide, independent quality assurance position that will report directly to the just-appointed vice president of Safety Services for the Air Traffic Organization, Air Force Reserve Brigadier General Robert O. Tarter. The position will oversee incident reporting, make incident determinations, and audit the data integrity of facility reports. Currently, responsibility for incident determination lies solely with the facility manager. This move increases accountability of the managers by adding senior-level oversight. The FAA will also be accelerating the nation-wide deployment of the TARP by the end of 2009. * * “The safety of the traveling public is our top priority and will not be compromised. The intentional distortion of reporting incidents defeats our ability to understand the root causes of errors and enact mitigation if we see a trend developing,” Krakowski said. * * “Aside from the integrity issue, it’s a lost opportunity to gain insight into causal factors,” Krakowski added. “That action is fundamental to safety and we won’t tolerate anything less.” * * The Safety Services organization will conduct audits of all air traffic control incidents and coordinate the findings and responses with the highest level officials in the FAA. Within the next six months, the FAA will provide nation-wide training for Air Traffic facility managers and safety officials about roles and responsibilities for reporting and classifying airspace errors. The agency’s inspector workforce will simultaneously be retrained on their responsibilities for conducting investigations of reported pilot deviations. * * The FAA recently signed an agreement with the National Air Traffic Controllers Association to create the Air Traffic Safety Action Program, designed to foster a voluntary, cooperative, non-punitive environment for the open reporting of safety concerns. This type of reporting system — which is used throughout industry — will help to create an atmosphere where controllers and managers can identify, report and correct safety issues and emerging risks. * * ### http://www.oig.dot.gov/StreamFile?fi..._Aviation_Safe... * * Todd J. ZinserActing Inspector General U.S. Department of Transportation * * Before the Committee on Transportation and InfrastructureSubcommittee on AviationUnited States House of RepresentativesFor Release on Delivery Expected at2:00 p.m. EDT WednesdaySeptember 20, 2006 CC-2006-074 Observations on FAA’s Oversight of Aviation Safety * * During the first 11 months of FY 2006, the number of operational errors has decreased—there were 1,242 operational errors compared to 1,358 during the same period in FY 2005. However, the number of operational errors during the 11-month period still exceeds the total number of errors experienced during all of FY 2004. * * The increase in operational errors is significant, but it is important to recognize that the number of errors reported in prior years may not be an accurate benchmark. This is because, at the majority of FAA facilities, FAA relies on an inaccurate system of self-reporting operational errors. * * In September 2004, we reported8 that only 20 of FAA’s 524 air traffic control facilities had an automated system that identifies when operational errors occur. At its towers and terminal radar approach control (TRACON) facilities, FAA depends on an unreliable system of self-reporting operational errors. * * Recent investigations by our office and FAA at two locations found multiple instances of unreported operational errors. Specifically, at the Dallas/Fort Worth TRACON, we investigated claims by a whistleblower that operational errors were being intentionally underreported. We substantiated that operational errors were systematically ignored and traced the cause to local management policy that did not comply with national guidelines. Prior to our investigation, the facility reported just two operational errors during the 6-month period from January 1 to -------------------------------------------- * * 8 OIG Report Number AV-2004-085, “Audit of Controls Over the Reporting of Operational Errors,” September 20, 2004. -------------------------------------------- * * 17 * * June 24, 2004. During our investigation, we identified five unreported operational errors that occurred during May and June alone. * * After instituting appropriate use of playback tools9 in June 2004, the facility reported 36 operational errors during the next 6 months. Facility managers also took actions to improve operations by training all personnel on proper procedures for reporting and investigating operational errors, redesigning facility-specific air traffic procedures, and conducting refresher training to improve controller performance. ... You forgot to blame the affirmative action policy Bertie |
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