Annual overdue by a few days

Peter Clark wrote in
:

Get your A&P to call the FSDO and get a ferry permit.

You might also want to check your insurance to see if it's valid under a
ferry permit operation.

Mike

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:



The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:



The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.

"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
by the Administrator, indicating—

(1) The purpose of the flight.

(2) The proposed itinerary.

(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.

(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
applicable airworthiness requirements.

(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
operation of the aircraft.

(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.

(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."

I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

On Mon, 05 May 2008 10:37:35 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:



The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.

"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
by the Administrator, indicating—

(1) The purpose of the flight.

(2) The proposed itinerary.

(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.

(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
applicable airworthiness requirements.

(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
operation of the aircraft.

(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.

(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."

I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

is that your reg covering ferry flights?
our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to
have)

Stealth Pilot

On May 5, 8:48 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 10:37:35 -0400, Peter Clark



wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:

The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.

"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
by the Administrator, indicating—

(1) The purpose of the flight.

(2) The proposed itinerary.

(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.

(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
applicable airworthiness requirements.

(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
operation of the aircraft.

(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.

(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."

I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

is that your reg covering ferry flights?
our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to
have)

Stealth Pilot

In Canada an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) has to get the
permit.

Dan

On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:48:13 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:



is that your reg covering ferry flights?
our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to
have)

Special flight permit = ferry flight.

I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD had
to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO office,
they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
turbochargers (as if I didn't know ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several FAA
approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless, I
got the sign-off)

In short, make it your business to get an annual done before expiration
date.
"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:



The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.

"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
by the Administrator, indicating-

(1) The purpose of the flight.

(2) The proposed itinerary.

(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.

(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
applicable airworthiness requirements.

(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
operation of the aircraft.

(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.

(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."

I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:52:50 -0400, "tom418"
wrote:

I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD had
to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO office,

Why'd you do that?

they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
turbochargers (as if I didn't know ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several FAA
approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless, I
got the sign-off)

My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles
then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit
to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just
tell you to get the annual locally.



Peter Clark wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:

Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete
the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In
other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What
do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be.
Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs.
Or......Thanks

Get your A&P to call the FSDO and get a ferry permit. As soon as the
annual expired it's no longer legal to reposition to the other
airport. The fly-over-to-reposition provisions of the 100hr
inspection don't apply to annual inspections.

The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

Originally Posted by Newps

It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles
then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit
to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just
tell you to get the annual locally.


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The FAA cannot dictate where you will annual an airplane. And yes, you can get a ferry permit to fly coast to coast if neccessary.