I give up, after many, many years!

Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes:

The ones that are ignored are different sensations and typically have to
do with equilibrium and the inner ear. Examples are somatogravic and
coriolis and inversion illusions. If your ass leaves the seat or
compresses into it, however, it's not something you ignore.

Yes, it is, because it is no more reliable than any other sensation.


DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES. IF YOU
DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "GRAVITY" AND A "SENSATION", THEN GO
JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.


But they may not be what you think they are, either.

What people are asserting here is 180 degrees different from what I read in
all the literature.

I QUOTED YOU THE LITERATURE. SPECIFICALLY, FAA-H-8083-3A: IE, The
Federal Aviation Administration Airplane Flying Handbook, chapter 3, page 2.

The FAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about flying than you,
regardless of what you claim you've read.

-C
Commercial Pilot, Instrument, ASEL
Advanced Ground Instructor

gatt writes:

DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES. IF YOU
DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "GRAVITY" AND A "SENSATION", THEN GO
JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.

Sounds like an epitaph. Be careful up there.

I QUOTED YOU THE LITERATURE. SPECIFICALLY, FAA-H-8083-3A: IE, The
Federal Aviation Administration Airplane Flying Handbook, chapter 3, page 2.

I've read the literature, thanks.

The FAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about flying than you,
regardless of what you claim you've read.

No doubt. But I'm not debating this with the FAA.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

gatt writes:

DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES. IF YOU
DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "GRAVITY" AND A "SENSATION", THEN
GO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.

Sounds like an epitaph. Be careful up there.

I QUOTED YOU THE LITERATURE. SPECIFICALLY, FAA-H-8083-3A: IE, The
Federal Aviation Administration Airplane Flying Handbook, chapter 3,
page 2.

I've read the literature, thanks.

The FAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about flying than you,
regardless of what you claim you've read.

No doubt. But I'm not debating this with the FAA.


You aren't debating, period, you're just being an asshole, as always.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes:


The FAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about flying than you,
regardless of what you claim you've read.

No doubt. But I'm not debating this with the FAA.

I quoted you chapter and verse directly from the FAA, and you
contradicted it, liar.

Bye now. Your opinions here are not worth further reading or discussion.

-c

gatt writes:

I quoted you chapter and verse directly from the FAA, and you
contradicted it, liar.

The FAA is not saying what you claim.

In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes:

The ones that are ignored are different sensations and typically have to
do with equilibrium and the inner ear. Examples are somatogravic and
coriolis and inversion illusions. If your ass leaves the seat or
compresses into it, however, it's not something you ignore.

Yes, it is, because it is no more reliable than any other sensation.

DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES.

Congratulations, now you look like an arrogant asshole.

Of course so does MX, but at least he's an *entertaining* arrogant
asshole.

I find it to be tremendously ironic that these recent monster threads
revolving around MX have led me to killfile several people who respond to
him but not to killfile him. His stuff is frequently worth reading, if
only for the entertainment value, whereas the responses are frequently
acidic and worthless.

If you get to the point where you're typing in all caps, or having to wave
your certificates in his face, take a moment to step back and think about
whether your reply adds any value to the group. MX's destructiveness comes
only from the kind of replies he is able to make people post. If we could
all avoid posting that kind of reply, his destructiveness will recede to
"merely" being an obnoxious poster.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

Michael Ash wrote in
:

In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes:

The ones that are ignored are different sensations and typically
have to do with equilibrium and the inner ear. Examples are
somatogravic and coriolis and inversion illusions. If your ass
leaves the seat or compresses into it, however, it's not something
you ignore.

Yes, it is, because it is no more reliable than any other sensation.

DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES.

Congratulations, now you look like an arrogant asshole.

Of course so does MX, but at least he's an *entertaining* arrogant
asshole.

I find it to be tremendously ironic that these recent monster threads
revolving around MX have led me to killfile several people who respond
to him but not to killfile him. His stuff is frequently worth reading,
if only for the entertainment value, whereas the responses are
frequently acidic and worthless.

If you get to the point where you're typing in all caps, or having to
wave your certificates in his face, take a moment to step back and
think about whether your reply adds any value to the group. MX's
destructiveness comes only from the kind of replies he is able to make
people post. If we could all avoid posting that kind of reply, his
destructiveness will recede to "merely" being an obnoxious poster.


If you could get everyone to stop posting to him it'd be a usenet first.



Bertie

Michael Ash wrote:
In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote:

Congratulations, now you look like an arrogant asshole.

Of course so does MX, but at least he's an *entertaining* arrogant
asshole.

Sometimes you have to speak their language. My purpose wasn't to
entertain people. If you want, however, I'll tell you some knock-knock
jokes. I'm sure everybody appreciates your encouragement of his
behavior, by the way. Nice job, Ash.

I find it to be tremendously ironic that these recent monster threads
revolving around MX have led me to killfile several people who respond to
him but not to killfile him.

That's your choice. Different people come to the forum for different
reasons. I'm here to share my experience and learn from the experience
of others, and I read a whole lot more than I post.

If you get to the point where you're typing in all caps, or having to wave
your certificates in his face, take a moment to step back and think about
whether your reply adds any value to the group.

He came out here, asked the pilots a question then proceeded to refute
every single thing they said. Not just me ASEL pilots like me, but just
about everybody.

I answered his question initially because the question had value to the
student pilots in the student group. His utter nonsense that followed
merely adds misinformation and, perhaps, satisfies your entertainment
needs.

As to whether "waving certificates" in people's faces adds value, it's
not much different than sourcing an official or authoritative reference,
is it? If we were talking about combat it would be relevant for the
readers to understand that the people in the discussion are a video game
geek versus a combat veteran.

-c
Arrogant Asshole

In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote:
Michael Ash wrote:
In rec.aviation.student gatt wrote:

Congratulations, now you look like an arrogant asshole.

Of course so does MX, but at least he's an *entertaining* arrogant
asshole.

Sometimes you have to speak their language.

I've seen no evidence that "his language" consists of all-caps yelling
about piloting. Quite the opposite, actually.

My purpose wasn't to
entertain people. If you want, however, I'll tell you some knock-knock
jokes.

I don't think your purpose *should* be to entertain people. Obviously
that's not why this group is here, at least not primarily. But at least
it's a redeeming feature of his posts, something that many of the
responses don't have.

I'm sure everybody appreciates your encouragement of his
behavior, by the way. Nice job, Ash.

Oh please. If he hasn't responded to years of strong, frequently abusive
*dis*couragement of his behavior, what makes you think he'll respond to
*en*couragement? It should be blindingly obvious that he'll do what he
wishes and will not change his habits just because of what someone says.

I find it to be tremendously ironic that these recent monster threads
revolving around MX have led me to killfile several people who respond to
him but not to killfile him.

That's your choice. Different people come to the forum for different
reasons. I'm here to share my experience and learn from the experience
of others, and I read a whole lot more than I post.

Same here.

If you get to the point where you're typing in all caps, or having to wave
your certificates in his face, take a moment to step back and think about
whether your reply adds any value to the group.

He came out here, asked the pilots a question then proceeded to refute
every single thing they said. Not just me ASEL pilots like me, but just
about everybody.

I answered his question initially because the question had value to the
student pilots in the student group. His utter nonsense that followed
merely adds misinformation and, perhaps, satisfies your entertainment
needs.

As to whether "waving certificates" in people's faces adds value, it's
not much different than sourcing an official or authoritative reference,
is it? If we were talking about combat it would be relevant for the
readers to understand that the people in the discussion are a video game
geek versus a combat veteran.

It's relevant to the discussion, sure, when you present it as backing for
your opinion or for facts. But when you come straight out and shout
someone dow, saying that they're not allowed to disagree with you because
you have credentials and they don't, that's just bad taste.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying all this because I think you're
worse than MX. Quite the contrary. MX is beyond hope, and thus isn't worth
trying to correct. The rest of you, however, ought to be able to modify
your behavior to make things better.

MX is a troll. Whether he is this way because he intends to be or simply
because his personality causes him to be this way is irrelevant. Trolls
destroy groups by spawning massive threads that drown out all the useful
bits of the group. And of course it takes two to tango; a troll works by
getting people to reply to him. If nobody replied to MX he would merely be
obnoxious, not group-destroying.

It's tough, and annoying, but to stop a troll you *must* be willing to let
him have the last word.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

Michael Ash wrote:

As to whether "waving certificates" in people's faces adds value, it's
not much different than sourcing an official or authoritative reference,
is it? If we were talking about combat it would be relevant for the
readers to understand that the people in the discussion are a video game
geek versus a combat veteran.

It's relevant to the discussion, sure, when you present it as backing for
your opinion or for facts. But when you come straight out and shout
someone dow, saying that they're not allowed to disagree with you because
you have credentials and they don't, that's just bad taste.


Please tell me at what point I "came straight out and shouted somebody
down," and, more importantly, where I've EVER said they're "not allowed
to disagree" because I have credentials and they don't.

It's fine to disagree right up to the point where you're disagreeing
with virtually everybody from private pilots to airline pilots.

If this were rec.surgery.brain and some philosophy student was arguing
with brain surgeons all day, every day, and then admonishing them for
their answers, I wouldn't for a second expect the surgeons not to remind
the student they're they're doctors and that he's not qualified to
contradict literally ALL of them. (Not to mention ignoring their
authoritative references and dodging any challenge to cite sources for
him own information.)

But I never said anybody "wasn't allowed" to disagree with me simply
because of my credentials.

-c