Fake military guys & the Stolen Valor Act of 2005

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0100, "William Black"
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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For the same reason people steal. They wish to have something of value
which they did not earn.

While they may have devalued military service in general and heroism
in particular they believe as well that they accrue some benefit by
claiming exceptional combat valor, courage and credentials.

Well then you have do some sort of 'risk/benefit' analysis then.

The risks seem high if people are spending their lives chasing them down.

There seem to be no material benefits.

Why bother?

Don't misunderstand, everyone's met the guy who claims to have served
with
the SAS who turns out to have been a cook on a base where an SAS man once
turned up to give a talk on '"The Military Architecture of Hereford";
that's almost expected.

But who on earth claims significant decorations in the hope that no-one
will
notice?

I direct you once again to this comprehensive site which will show you
"who on earth..."

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1082.htm

There are so many that they must be organized on alphabetical pages
and even then it takes considerable scrolling to get to the bottom.

You miss my point.

Why do they bother?

It seems to bring next to no advantage and has huge risks.

It is obviously a problem there otherwise the government wouldn't have made
it a crime, which must make things a touch difficult for re-enactors and
film units but that's life...

One guy has a long paragraph aimed at him for telling tall tales around the
campfire at some re-enactment, which, to be honest, is just plain silly.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Aug 23, 10:52 am, "William Black"
wrote:
"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0100, "William Black"
wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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For the same reason people steal. They wish to have something of value
which they did not earn.

While they may have devalued military service in general and heroism
in particular they believe as well that they accrue some benefit by
claiming exceptional combat valor, courage and credentials.

Well then you have do some sort of 'risk/benefit' analysis then.

The risks seem high if people are spending their lives chasing them down.

There seem to be no material benefits.

Why bother?

Don't misunderstand, everyone's met the guy who claims to have served
with
the SAS who turns out to have been a cook on a base where an SAS man once
turned up to give a talk on '"The Military Architecture of Hereford";
that's almost expected.

But who on earth claims significant decorations in the hope that no-one
will
notice?

I direct you once again to this comprehensive site which will show you
"who on earth..."

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1082.htm

There are so many that they must be organized on alphabetical pages
and even then it takes considerable scrolling to get to the bottom.

You miss my point.

Why do they bother?

It seems to bring next to no advantage and has huge risks.

It is obviously a problem there otherwise the government wouldn't have made
it a crime, which must make things a touch difficult for re-enactors and
film units but that's life...

One guy has a long paragraph aimed at him for telling tall tales around the
campfire at some re-enactment, which, to be honest, is just plain silly.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

There are some people who want to skate on the edge. That guy with the
movie, Demara? Tony Curtis played him IIRC. Okay until the guy playing
a doctor pulls a patient with a real problem. There was one of those
jokers caught last year who had done in some of the people from this
newsgroup.

I would excuse those "there I was at 20,000 feet with Japs all around
me" guys, especially if it finishes with "so I asked the stewardess
for one of those towels".

Whatever happened to the resident RAM IRA operative/USAF General?

Bob McKellar

On Aug 23, 1:29 pm, "Bob McKellar" wrote:
Whatever happened to the resident RAM IRA operative/USAF General?

Bob McKellar

I think that's the boy, the last I heard he was discussing housing
accommodations with a local arm of the law. Probably let him go.

There are so many that they must be organized on alphabetical pages
and even then it takes considerable scrolling to get to the bottom.


As an enlisted type you can first enounter these types as early as the MEPS
station where they will state they are just "waiting for the paperwork to
get through so they can be officers and then on to pilot training" I had
one of these idiots tell me the same line of BS in Basic and then watched as
he turned away and saluted the Squadron Training Officer with a cigarette in
his saluting hand. The resulting ass chewing was certainly enjoyable to
watch.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
www.thunderchief.org

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:31:53 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Personally I still lean toward cutting off their buttons, ripping
their epaulets, breaking their saber over my knee and tossing them out
the gate...but that's just me.

I think if you try to break a saber over your knee you will hurt
yourself. Those things would have to be pretty sturdy just to work as
designed.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:31:53 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Personally I still lean toward cutting off their buttons, ripping
their epaulets, breaking their saber over my knee and tossing them out
the gate...but that's just me.

I think if you try to break a saber over your knee you will hurt
yourself. Those things would have to be pretty sturdy just to work as
designed.



You hacksaw it partly through beforehand.

Cheers
CJ Adams

On Aug 23, 9:31 am, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:42:44 +0100, "William Black"

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1. Why do the fakers do it?

For the same reason people steal. They wish to have something of value
which they did not earn.

While they may have devalued military service in general and heroism
in particular they believe as well that they accrue some benefit by
claiming exceptional combat valor, courage and credentials.


As hard as it may be to do, I think they devalue only themselves.

They cannot devalue that to which they have no claims.

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FF

In article ,
says...

Personally I still lean toward cutting off their buttons, ripping
their epaulets, breaking their saber over my knee and tossing them out
the gate...but that's just me.

The only proper punishment...

--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.