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In rec.aviation.owning Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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In rec.aviation.owning BobR wrote:
On Sep 4, 1:25?pm, wrote:
In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:

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As for smoking, that is utter, pulled out of your ass,
nonsense.

Not when the air is thin.

More ignorant nonsense; if it were true about half the population
of
Peru would be incapacitated.

--
Jim Pennino

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Your knowledge of this subject is so seriously limited that you
really need to drop out of the discussion before you make yourself
look really stupid. The people of Peru who live at high altitudes
have become acclimated to the altitude and are not as subject to
altitude sickness as those who live at lower altitudes. Smoking
has
the direct effect of diminishing the ability of the lungs to absorb
oxygen which becomes especially critical at higher altitudes.
Smokers who are not acclimated to the altitude and who take off
from
lower altitudes and asscend to altitude can easily become oxygen
starved resulting in numerous possible medical problems.

Point totally missed.

1) No one becomes "immediately incapacitated", whatever that means,
from smoking.



Depends on what you mean by that. Smoking will exacerbate any
situation
where breathing sails close to the edge, like a sudden loss of
pressurisation or if the individual has been comprimised and
breathing
becomes difficult. Like someone who has been badly inured and is
comatose. All other factors being equal, if the individual has been
pushed to the edge in a situation like this, a history of smoking
will
push them over it.

And in what kind of situation is any of that likely to happen to a
private pilot?


Well, there are a lot of private pilots operating airplanes at high
altitudes these days.
Leaving that aside, my intention as to highlight the damage done and how
that can comprimise someone operating at or near their limit. It's
something else stacked against you in a bad situation. .

What do peruvian mountain dwellers have to do with private pilots?

writes:

And in what kind of situation is any of that likely to happen to a
private pilot?

Occult cardiovascular disease, typically.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote:
1) No one becomes "immediately incapacitated", whatever that means,
from smoking.

Depends on what you mean by that. Smoking will exacerbate any situation
where breathing sails close to the edge, like a sudden loss of
pressurisation or if the individual has been comprimised and breathing
becomes difficult. Like someone who has been badly inured and is
comatose. All other factors being equal, if the individual has been
pushed to the edge in a situation like this, a history of smoking will
push them over it.

ALERT THE PRESS! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR! BERTIE HAS WRITTEN IN
SUPPORT OF A STATEMENT MADE BY MXSMANIC!!!!!

Ahhhh! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!!!!! :-)

[Because up thread it were writ:]

In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

If the smoking or drinking were to eventually cause a problem that
could become incapacitating, and that takes lots of years, the problem
would be cause to fail the medical.

Both can be immediately incapacitating.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .

ALERT THE PRESS! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR! BERTIE HAS WRITTEN IN
SUPPORT OF A STATEMENT MADE BY MXSMANIC!!!!!

Ahhhh! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!!!!! :-)


My guess would be a little to much ant poison in the chardonnay.

Jim Logajan wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote:
1) No one becomes "immediately incapacitated", whatever that means,
from smoking.

Depends on what you mean by that. Smoking will exacerbate any situation
where breathing sails close to the edge, like a sudden loss of
pressurisation or if the individual has been comprimised and breathing
becomes difficult. Like someone who has been badly inured and is
comatose. All other factors being equal, if the individual has been
pushed to the edge in a situation like this, a history of smoking will
push them over it.

ALERT THE PRESS! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR! BERTIE HAS WRITTEN IN
SUPPORT OF A STATEMENT MADE BY MXSMANIC!!!!!

Nope. Don't give a **** what he says and what I said is quite different to
what he said in any case.

All of the statement above is based on personal experience, wheras
Anthony's **** comes from the usual sources.




Ahhhh! WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!


Well of course!

Bertie

writes:

1) No one becomes "immediately incapacitated", whatever that means,
from smoking.

A heart attack is immediately incapacitating, and smoking dramatically
increases the likelihood of a heart attack (something that the FAA ignores).

2) If smoking were "immediately incapacitating" from an altitude change,
every ski resort would be littered with bodies.

High-altitude ski resorts have their share of problems with people who develop
altitude sickness, and many people without frank symptoms of illness still are
far from being in top form at altitude.

3) Everyone becomes oxygen starved as altitude increases. For the average
heavy smoker that will happen at a lower altitude than for the average
non-smoker.

Yes. And so will the consequences.

4) Oxygen starvation doesn't result in medical problems, it causes
phyisological problems that are eliminated by increased oxygen.

Same thing. Not all of the problems can be fixed by increased oxygen, but
usually that helps.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
writes:

1) No one becomes "immediately incapacitated", whatever that means,
from smoking.

A heart attack is immediately incapacitating, and smoking dramatically
increases the likelihood of a heart attack (something that the FAA
ignores).

2) If smoking were "immediately incapacitating" from an altitude change,
every ski resort would be littered with bodies.

High-altitude ski resorts have their share of problems with people who
develop
altitude sickness, and many people without frank symptoms of illness still
are
far from being in top form at altitude.

3) Everyone becomes oxygen starved as altitude increases. For the average
heavy smoker that will happen at a lower altitude than for the average
non-smoker.

Yes. And so will the consequences.

4) Oxygen starvation doesn't result in medical problems, it causes
phyisological problems that are eliminated by increased oxygen.

Same thing. Not all of the problems can be fixed by increased oxygen, but
usually that helps.

Nonsense, you're just a dumb ass, headed of on one of your usual trolls.
Nothing here relates to the original intent of your statement.

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

1) No one becomes "immediately incapacitated", whatever that means,
from smoking.

A heart attack is immediately incapacitating, and smoking dramatically
increases the likelihood of a heart attack (something that the FAA ignores).

Smoking increase the likelihood of a heart attack after decades of smoking,
by which time such effects will show up on the medical.

Decades is hardly "immediately".


--
Jim Pennino

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Let's all remember that Anthony is not a physiologist and knows nothing
cardiology, let alone flying.

On Sep 5, 7:19*pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
Let's all remember that Anthony is not a physiologist and knows nothing
cardiology, let alone flying.

It's unlikely he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, either,
all the more reason to ignore him.