CFI question

On Sep 12, 2:59*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Sep 12, 1:23*pm, Robert Moore wrote:



"Ol Shy & Bashful" *wrote

Right up front I tell students I get pretty intensive in the cockpit
up to and including profanity. Does it work for me? If you check with
all the students I've flown with they will tell you YES. Certainly I
don't go overboard with any profanity (depending on who you talk to)
but the intensity doesn't ease up.

Sorry Rocky.....I don't buy into that method. My training programs are
intensive...not me. *I'm there to help the student beat the program.
Profanity is out of the question. Not one of my Naval Aviator instructors
at Pensacola ever resorted to the use of profanity, the old "Officer and
Gentleman" routine that an ex-Drill Sargent might not understand.

After 9 years as a Naval Aviator with combat time in Vietnam, I then spent
25 year as a B-707/B-727 airline pilot with probably 10 years spent as an
FAA designated Instructor Pilot, Manager of Flightcrew Training, Chief Pilot,
and a stint as Director of Operations.

I have been a civilian flight instructor for 38 years with a 100% pass rate
with not one Private Pilot student requiring more than 50 hours of training
to acquire an airman certificate.

You really don't have to curse and swear, you know, your looks are mean
enough. * * *

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

Hey Bob
You know, I have really enjoyed your posts over the years and you are
a delight and a real pro. It all boils down to individual techniques.
I know guys who never raise their voice and are really scary. I know
guys who are really tough and really religious who never use profanity
except on rare occasions. All of them are respected and proficient.
It just works for me and it appears, expected? I'll ammend my
presentation according to the student and it seems to work fine. Isn't
that what being a teacher is all about? Teaching effectively?
I don't want to teach a student to beat the program. I want my
students to understand what they are trying to do within the program
and become proficient aviators. Thinking pilots rather than, robots.
My rationalization being, many years back (late 60's), I was focused
on autorotations and didn't hear anything my instructor said. After
that and a discussion, my personal technique became one of not letting
the student not hear me! Of course I like to think it is more refined
than that now Still, my students frequently tell me thay can still
hear me "chirping" in their ears while they are flying and staying
ahead of the events.
My son is just over 2 yrs old and flexing his new muscles and finding
his place in the world. I have to smack his little butt to let him
know when he reached the particular limit. Then he crawls into my lap,
wipes away his tears, grins at me and says "My Dadda"
Thats when it takes discipline to maintain ......... ggg
Best Professional and Personal Regards
Rocky Kemp

Ol Shy, I have to do some math here. Let's see, first became a CFI in
67? It's not 2008, so that's like, let's see, carry the one -- uh, 41
years ago. CFI at say age 21? Hmm, 2 year old son? You da man!

It happens, just not often. Congratulations.

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
Right up front I tell students I get pretty intensive in the cockpit
up to and including profanity. Does it work for me? If you check with
all the students I've flown with they will tell you YES. Certainly I
don't go overboard with any profanity (depending on who you talk to)
but the intensity doesn't ease up.

I believe the scientific method says you should have tried instructing
without the profanity and see if it made any difference in your success
rate and student's perception.

On Sep 12, 2:07*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

Right up front I tell students I get pretty intensive in the cockpit
up to and including profanity. Does it work for me? If you check with
all the students I've flown with they will tell you YES. Certainly I
don't go overboard with any profanity (depending on who you talk to)
but the intensity doesn't ease up.

I believe the scientific method says you should have tried instructing
without the profanity and see if it made any difference in your success
rate and student's perception.

I have. And I continue to use the most effective method for me. My
students proficiency tells the story.

On Sep 11, 12:53*pm, Tman x@x wrote:
When taking lessons with a CFI, I've often had them compliment various
aspects of my performance, while also offering constructive criticism.
It seems that this behavior is right out of the pages of CFI training.

Here's my question. *Does that make the CFI a sycophant, by the formal
definition of it?

T



A sycophant is someone who, out of their own low self-confidence,
seeks validation and acceptance from a person of perceived higher
authority by unabashedly complimenting and agreeing with that person.

A good example of a sycophant is a low self-esteem guy who does
errands, and favors for a woman. "Whipped", if you will.

If the CFI in your example was giving undeserved compliments, and if
he was only doing it because he perceived you as being more
influential, then yes he is a sycophant. People referred to "Yes men"
are also sycophants.

On Sep 11, 11:53*am, Tman x@x wrote:
When taking lessons with a CFI, I've often had them compliment various
aspects of my performance, while also offering constructive criticism.
It seems that this behavior is right out of the pages of CFI training.

Here's my question. *Does that make the CFI a sycophant, by the formal
definition of it?

I'm not sure if this is suppose to be a serious question or not.
Flying is challenging. There isn't a pilot on this list who can't be
challenged by a good CFI. To spend the entire time telling a pilot
about his short comings isn't productive because at a certain point
people just turn off; either because they just assume they suck or
because they assume the CFI is full of crap. Mixing the good comments
with the feedback gives the pilot a balance.

-Robert, CFII

Tman wrote:
When taking lessons with a CFI, I've often had them compliment various
aspects of my performance, while also offering constructive criticism.
It seems that this behavior is right out of the pages of CFI training.

Here's my question. Does that make the CFI a sycophant, by the formal
definition of it?

T



Depends on the instructor.

Generally, from the way you have worded your question, I see no problem
at all with what this instructor has done.
It is common practice, and indeed PROPER practice among GOOD
instructors, to interface compliments and encouragement along with
constructive criticism during any dual session with a student.
It is noteworthy (from the inference of your post) that it's not
essential or even required that the student have actually done something
completely right or correct as a requisite for receiving such
compliments and encouragement from an instructor. In fact, in many
instances where such positive reinforcement is offered to a student by a
CFI, the reason for it might very well simply be the first recognition
by the student of a small part of what is required to understand a
specific action or procedure.
Praise judicially used by CFI's is a vital tool used to help instill
much needed confidence in a student.
It's the proper use and timing of praise and criticism, that helps
define a GOOD flight instructor.

--
Dudley Henriques