Transponder problems with ATC COMS - Video

"Bear Bottoms" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:05:52 GMT, Mike wrote:

Says who I am queer?

Coming out?

Nice.

Mommy must be so proud that Jr can use the computer as everyone had written
him off with the anencephaly and all.

Now if they could only get him to stop jerking off on the bus. A bit much
to expect I suppose.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:05:52 GMT, Mike wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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You are allowed to deviate between the altimeter and the encoder by 125
feet.

Says who?

SHUT THE **** UP, ASSHOLE.
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Bear Bottoms
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On Nov 24, 11:38*pm, "BT" wrote:

I'm somewhat surprised, if the pilot is part owner and flies this aircraft
regularly, she does not know the operation of her transponder. She can
select STBY, ALT and put in the code, but she does not understand it's
operation.
A nice thing about those transponders.. the VFR button will automatically
load 1200.

Thanks BT for the informative posts. My plane doesn't have all this
fancy gagetry, so I was literally winging it on a prayer and things
just didn't add up in my head, thus shutting the Xponder off..

With all the nuances of learning how to fly, learning how to own a
plane, it does not surprise me she didn't know the operation of her
transponder. Her "lesson" was set it and forget it OR let it do
everything automatically.

If you think about it, at least for me, even in my flight lessons, I
never got any instructions on how to operate the transponder other
then coding in the numbers or doing "one button operations". Never
once was I ever shown how to stop Mode C operations.

No problems "A", I enjoy watching your Sundowner videos. I flew Sundowners
in the late 07s in Maine.
The older equipment is not so much easier to understand, but it's what "we
grew up with", you really want to have fun, take the full G1000 Course for
IFR operations. The transponder and autopilot are built into the system, the
transponder select codes are on the soft switches at the bottom of the pilot
side PFD and the code/reply lights etc are in a little window on the screen.

BT

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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On Nov 24, 11:38 pm, "BT" wrote:

I'm somewhat surprised, if the pilot is part owner and flies this aircraft
regularly, she does not know the operation of her transponder. She can
select STBY, ALT and put in the code, but she does not understand it's
operation.
A nice thing about those transponders.. the VFR button will automatically
load 1200.

Thanks BT for the informative posts. My plane doesn't have all this
fancy gagetry, so I was literally winging it on a prayer and things
just didn't add up in my head, thus shutting the Xponder off..

With all the nuances of learning how to fly, learning how to own a
plane, it does not surprise me she didn't know the operation of her
transponder. Her "lesson" was set it and forget it OR let it do
everything automatically.

If you think about it, at least for me, even in my flight lessons, I
never got any instructions on how to operate the transponder other
then coding in the numbers or doing "one button operations". Never
once was I ever shown how to stop Mode C operations.

That should be the late 70s.. not 07s.. fingers got ahead of themselves
BT

"BT" wrote in message
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No problems "A", I enjoy watching your Sundowner videos. I flew Sundowners
in the late 07s in Maine.
The older equipment is not so much easier to understand, but it's what "we
grew up with", you really want to have fun, take the full G1000 Course for
IFR operations. The transponder and autopilot are built into the system,
the transponder select codes are on the soft switches at the bottom of the
pilot side PFD and the code/reply lights etc are in a little window on the
screen.

BT

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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On Nov 24, 11:38 pm, "BT" wrote:

I'm somewhat surprised, if the pilot is part owner and flies this
aircraft
regularly, she does not know the operation of her transponder. She can
select STBY, ALT and put in the code, but she does not understand it's
operation.
A nice thing about those transponders.. the VFR button will automatically
load 1200.

Thanks BT for the informative posts. My plane doesn't have all this
fancy gagetry, so I was literally winging it on a prayer and things
just didn't add up in my head, thus shutting the Xponder off..

With all the nuances of learning how to fly, learning how to own a
plane, it does not surprise me she didn't know the operation of her
transponder. Her "lesson" was set it and forget it OR let it do
everything automatically.

If you think about it, at least for me, even in my flight lessons, I
never got any instructions on how to operate the transponder other
then coding in the numbers or doing "one button operations". Never
once was I ever shown how to stop Mode C operations.

"BT" wrote in message
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No problems "A", I enjoy watching your Sundowner videos. I flew Sundowners
in the late 07s in Maine.
The older equipment is not so much easier to understand, but it's what "we
grew up with", you really want to have fun, take the full G1000 Course for
IFR operations. The transponder and autopilot are built into the system,
the transponder select codes are on the soft switches at the bottom of the
pilot side PFD and the code/reply lights etc are in a little window on the
screen.

The earlier G1000s don't have the integrated AP which is a bit of a PITA.
Once you get familiar with the system it almost makes IFR TOO easy as you
can do practically everything but taxi the plane to the ramp by just pushing
buttons.

On Nov 24, 7:15*pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:
I have flown with a couple of Garmin 327's and now have two 330's. The
pressure altitude readout on the transponder comes (as I recall) from the
blind encoder. It is obviously not connected to the altimeter setting.

So, the encoder could be culprit for the mis reported altitude. I suppose
there could be a difference in altitudes of 700 feet if the day was very
non-standard (such as very cold, high pressure, etc).

That is for sure. The altitude used by the transponder for all us
flying non-digial, non-flat screen bug smashers is not the same
necessarily as what you see on the panel. However, in my experience
when ATC is getting the wrong altitude its almost always either a
calibration issue or a wiring (i.e. dirty connectors, etc) issue. Its
usually something a good avionics shop can fix in minutes.

-robert

A Lieberma wrote:
On Nov 24, 7:54 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

My guess is that its a new C-172 with the G1000 with the transponder
just built in. There is a button along the bottom of the PFD that
brings up transponder options. The transponder is no longer a separate
unit.

-Robert

Robert,

One thing I can say, it wasn't the G1000

I put in my reply to BT it was a Garmin product looking at pics on
Google.

I hope instructors learn from this to take the time to teach how to
stop the mode C. In my training, I never got such training. My
transponder on my plane is the king analogue flaver, just off, stby,
alt and test and turn knobs to squawk.

Nothing to think about on my transponder but when you start getting
digitalized with more options, maybe some basic transponder 101 with
explanations on why you do what should be in order for flight
training???

Yes, instructors should cover things like this, but the pilots should
also read the avionics manuals! Most people I know have never read the
manual for their car let alone their avionics. There is simply no
excuse for this.

Matt

On Nov 25, 7:23*am, Voyager wrote:

Yes, instructors should cover things like this, but the pilots should
also read the avionics manuals! *Most people I know have never read the
manual for their car let alone their avionics. *There is simply no
excuse for this.

Agree Matt for airplane owners, but I guess some forgiveness should be
given for "renters" for practicality purposes.

I don't know of any airplane that has all the user manuals for all the
avionics in the plane. I would suspect checkout should include
instructions on Xponder operations and during training as well.

I never got such training.

On Nov 25, 5:42*am, A Lieberma wrote:

Agree Matt for airplane owners, but I guess some forgiveness should be
given for "renters" for practicality purposes.

I don't know of any airplane that has all the user manuals for all the
avionics in the plane. *I would suspect checkout should include
instructions on Xponder operations and during training as well.

I never got such training.

Ok, so if you come in and want to rent a C-172 but have never flown
with a 430 should I require you to do a 5 hour training course? I
thought most pilots wanted simplier checkouts, not longer. I think the
rated pilot renter is responsible for figuring out what he doesn't
know (and needs to know) and figuring the answer out, either by
looking up on-line manuals or asking a CFI. Its not fair to require 5
to 10 hour checkouts in every 172 just because some pilots will not
otherwise learn the avionics specific to the aircraft.

-Robert, CFII