Looking for B-17 video...

Could you point me to the thread? This sounds intersting...

Duster

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
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"Duster" wrote in message
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Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"Duster" wrote in message
m...
Could you point me to the thread? This sounds intersting...

Duster

This has been an "On Going" exchange in many threads over a period of time.

Tarver being an EE can't get a grip on the concept that the "explosive
limits of fuel vapours in the Uleage of CWT's" vary with temp, pressure, &
air content as the vent system functions.

The normal protocal for ADA is to "Bottom Post", makeing it much easier to
follow.

Be warned to expect less than "Courterous Treatment" when dealing with
Tarver aka "Splaps Boy/Splappy" the self described font of all knowledge
things A/C & Aviation. If you do not believe this, just ask him.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
.. .

"Duster" wrote in message
. ..
Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

From: "Ralph Nesbitt"

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Be warned to expect less than "Courterous Treatment" when dealing with
Tarver aka "Splaps Boy/Splappy" the self described font of all knowledge
things A/C & Aviation. If you do not believe this, just ask him.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
.. .

"Duster" wrote in message
. ..
Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

He's got a similar rep in automotive, rocketry, political etc. newsgroups.

If you disagree or ask for proof of his assertions with him he will make
personal and/or vulgar attacks. If pressed for proof he will tell you he
doesn't have to provide it. If you do a google search on him to prove what he
HAS said he will accuse you of trolling for Noyle even if you don't use his
site.

He just doesn't seem to understand 6 years of being a jet mech in ADC and
getting an EE doen't make him an expert on everything.

Dan, U.S.Air Force, retired

Duster wrote:
Could you point me to the thread? This sounds intersting...

A good starting point:

http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_ta...hronicles.html

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"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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Duster wrote:
Could you point me to the thread? This sounds intersting...

A good starting point:

http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_ta...hronicles.html

Although you would have to be an idiot to buy Knoyle's archive troll, it is
humorous and an excellent idiot detector.

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Duster" wrote

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing CWT
Design Philosophy".

Splaps Boy is correct in that the A/C is not a "bomb" in the
conventional sense of large object full of high explosive that is
gravity-dropped on a target, but a Boeing 7x7 aircraft's CWT with the
right fuel-air mixture if detonated can equal several sticks of dynamite
in explosive power.

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
...
"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Duster" wrote

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".

Splaps Boy is correct in that the A/C is not a "bomb" in the
conventional sense of large object full of high explosive that is
gravity-dropped on a target, but a Boeing 7x7 aircraft's CWT with the
right fuel-air mixture if detonated can equal several sticks of dynamite
in explosive power.

No. But it is interesting that ALPA management would spend so much time and
effort trying to cover up a one-off bad retrofit, even to the point of pilot
give backs.

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
...
"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Duster" wrote

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".

Splaps Boy is correct in that the A/C is not a "bomb" in the
conventional sense of large object full of high explosive that is
gravity-dropped on a target, but a Boeing 7x7 aircraft's CWT with the
right fuel-air mixture if detonated can equal several sticks of dynamite
in explosive power.

Please note "Splaps Boy" is the one screaming "Bomb" not be. I am simply
pointing out "The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy" results in conditions in the
CWT of Boeing A/C conducive to "Self Initiating FAE's (Fuel Air Explosion)".

Certain specified operating protocols have become minimum SOP to limit the
"Inherent Danger" associated with"The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
y.com...
Please note "Splaps Boy" is the one screaming "Bomb" not be.

You write "bomb" WRT the 747 on a regular basis, Ralph. If I were an
archive troll, I'd wager there are over 100 instances where Ralph posted
"bomb" in 747 threads WRT the 747 CWT. (all references to "wager" exclude
the no-pay mazor sock)

Ralph Nesbitt wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
...
"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Duster" wrote

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".

Splaps Boy is correct in that the A/C is not a "bomb" in the
conventional sense of large object full of high explosive that is
gravity-dropped on a target, but a Boeing 7x7 aircraft's CWT with the
right fuel-air mixture if detonated can equal several sticks of dynamite
in explosive power.

Please note "Splaps Boy" is the one screaming "Bomb" not be. I am simply
pointing out "The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy" results in conditions in the
CWT of Boeing A/C conducive to "Self Initiating FAE's (Fuel Air Explosion)".

Self - initiating ? I've never known a fuel air mixture explode of its own
accord outside a diesel engine. Especially with quite low temps.

An ignition source is also required.


Certain specified operating protocols have become minimum SOP to limit the
"Inherent Danger" associated with"The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy".

As in turning off the fuel pumps with the dodgy wiring when the tank is low ?


Graham