I would not have thought this was possible

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On Jul 11, 4:01 pm, Mike Ash wrote:
It's easy to be taken in by it, I agree, but I think that once you come
to the proper realizations it's not too hard to see that it must be
fake. To me, the most damning mistake in the video is the fact that the
plane sits perfectly level after the landing. Wings are *heavy*. Having
only one would make that plane tip right over onto its wingtip. Once I
realized what I was looking at, this to me was ironclad proof that they
were filming a plane with two intact wings, with the angle cleverly
chosen to hide one, and the rest done by some special effects trickery.

We regularly take wings off airplanes for repairs of one sort or
another. The airplane does NOT tip onto its other wingtip. The density
of wing structures is very light; like most of the rest of the
airframe, it's nearly all airspace. A 172's wing weighs maybe 70 or 80
pounds, max.

Huh, I never would have guessed. Even a relatively (compared to a 172)
light single-place glider has wings much heavier than that. Maybe
that'll teach me to generalize where it's not appropriate.

However, doesn't that assume that it's empty of fuel? I assume having
fuel in the tanks would change the picture substantially.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Jul 12, 10:19 pm, Mike Ash wrote:

Huh, I never would have guessed. Even a relatively (compared to a 172)
light single-place glider has wings much heavier than that. Maybe
that'll teach me to generalize where it's not appropriate.

However, doesn't that assume that it's empty of fuel? I assume having
fuel in the tanks would change the picture substantially.

Even full fuel wouldn't change it much. 25 gallons of fuel weighs
150 lbs, right over the mainwheel. The 300-lb engine is well inside
that wheel, as well as the rest of the fuselage. You'd have to hang
yourself off the wingtip to get any tip.

Dan

"Ron Garret" wrote

Actually, I was under the impression that the sucked-into-jet-engine
video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Real. The flash you see, as he goes in, is his helmet FOD'ing the engine.
His shoulders were wider than the intake duct, which stopped him from going
through the turbine.

Sore and bruised, but lucky.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote:
"Ron Garret" wrote
Actually, I was under the impression that the sucked-into-jet-engine
video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Real. The flash you see, as he goes in, is his helmet FOD'ing the
engine. His shoulders were wider than the intake duct, which stopped
him from going through the turbine.

Sore and bruised, but lucky.

Wow - the whole issue is a mess of fact and fiction. Consider:

1) There appear to a bunch of obviously faked videos on Youtube of
people getting "sucked" into jet engines. This makes it tedious to sort
out the legit from the bogus.

2) Some videos, like this one showing a helmet (cranial) getting sucked
off a guys head, seem perfectly legit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OswpNAH9nrk

3) I believe the velocity of the suctioned air should fall off roughly
with the inverse square of the distance from the intake - and so the
suction force for a fixed area should be roughly proportional with
inverse cube of the distance from the intake. Meaning you have to get
dang close to suck in something as dense and heavy as a person! (I know
I have problems vacuuming up heavy "grit"! Experiments with a vacuum
cleaner are easy and I'm sure everyone is aware how quickly the suction
force drops off.)

4) Although circumstances would make it rare, it appears it may have an
been issue as long as a few decades ago because there appears to be an
article titled "Survival after suction into jet engine intake" by Ayres,
ML in the May 1973 journal "Injury":
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4710924

This seems to indicate the article is case reports:
http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medli...engine_intake_

"Jim Logajan" wrote in

Wow - the whole issue is a mess of fact and fiction. Consider:

1) There appear to a bunch of obviously faked videos on Youtube of
people getting "sucked" into jet engines. This makes it tedious to sort
out the legit from the bogus.

2) Some videos, like this one showing a helmet (cranial) getting sucked
off a guys head, seem perfectly legit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OswpNAH9nrk

The case I saw might have been the Ayres incident you cited It has been a
while since I saw it, but it was well documented.

The person that was "sucked" was training a person, and stepped in to check
the work, and was out of position. It seems the A-6's intake is in a
position and has high velocity that makes a habit of sucking things into it.

I first saw the incident on TV and did not see the part about him surviving,
and had more than one nightmare about it. I was glad to later see that he
did not get chopped up.

I just remembered something else; he said his cranial came off and FODed the
engine, the engine was shut down quickly. If it had not, it might have
pulled him in the rest of the way.
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:16:33 -0700, Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiP4...eature=related

And indeed, it's fake. Bummer.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gpPbpONK4

Some people WANT to believe this even though they need only look at a jet
engine for 2 seconds to know it's fake..

Actually, I was under the impression that the sucked-into-jet-engine
video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Then you were a fool.

Even the one-wing landing video requires fairly close inspection to show
that it's a fake. It's quite well done IMHO.

rg

Amateur hour. You need to see my aerobatic films.

Franklin "Franklin wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:16:33 -0700, Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiP4...eature=related

And indeed, it's fake. Bummer.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gpPbpONK4

Some people WANT to believe this even though they need only look at
a jet engine for 2 seconds to know it's fake..

Actually, I was under the impression that the sucked-into-jet-engine
video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Then you were a fool.

Even the one-wing landing video requires fairly close inspection to
show that it's a fake. It's quite well done IMHO.

rg

Amateur hour. You need to see my aerobatic films.


Hello I'm Jeff. My cousin has let me use his PC.

The best fakes I've seen are your posts.

In article ,
Franklin "Franklin wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:16:33 -0700, Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiP4...eature=related

And indeed, it's fake. Bummer.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gpPbpONK4

Some people WANT to believe this even though they need only look at a jet
engine for 2 seconds to know it's fake..

Actually, I was under the impression that the sucked-into-jet-engine
video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Then you were a fool.

Could be. But I'd be in good company. The consensus around the net
seems to be that that clip is in fact real.

Even the one-wing landing video requires fairly close inspection to show
that it's a fake. It's quite well done IMHO.

rg

Amateur hour. You need to see my aerobatic films.

That presents a logistical challenge since you posted semi-anonymously,
and Jimmy Franklin is dead so you're probably not him. So who the ****
are you, and where are we supposed to go to see your aerobatic films?

rg

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin "Franklin wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:16:33 -0700, Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiP4...eature=related

And indeed, it's fake. Bummer.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gpPbpONK4

Some people WANT to believe this even though they need only look
at a jet engine for 2 seconds to know it's fake..

Actually, I was under the impression that the
sucked-into-jet-engine video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Then you were a fool.

Could be. But I'd be in good company. The consensus around the net
seems to be that that clip is in fact real.

Even the one-wing landing video requires fairly close inspection to
show that it's a fake. It's quite well done IMHO.

rg

Amateur hour. You need to see my aerobatic films.

That presents a logistical challenge since you posted
semi-anonymously, and Jimmy Franklin is dead so you're probably not
him. So who the **** are you, and where are we supposed to go to see
your aerobatic films?

rg


He's a prolific sock who posts here and in various groups such as
alt.comp.freeware where I usually hang out. Dud and I had to teach him a
few real basics about flying and that really upset him. He's trying to
sound like me, Franklin.

He claim he used to be Navy Seal but the only special operation he goes on
is when his Mom tells him his dinner is ready.

In article ,
Franklin wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin "Franklin wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:16:33 -0700, Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Franklin wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiP4...eature=related

And indeed, it's fake. Bummer.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_gpPbpONK4

Some people WANT to believe this even though they need only look
at a jet engine for 2 seconds to know it's fake..

Actually, I was under the impression that the
sucked-into-jet-engine video was real. It's certainly plausible.

Then you were a fool.

Could be. But I'd be in good company. The consensus around the net
seems to be that that clip is in fact real.

Even the one-wing landing video requires fairly close inspection to
show that it's a fake. It's quite well done IMHO.

rg

Amateur hour. You need to see my aerobatic films.

That presents a logistical challenge since you posted
semi-anonymously, and Jimmy Franklin is dead so you're probably not
him. So who the **** are you, and where are we supposed to go to see
your aerobatic films?

rg


He's a prolific sock who posts here and in various groups such as
alt.comp.freeware where I usually hang out. Dud and I had to teach him a
few real basics about flying and that really upset him. He's trying to
sound like me, Franklin.

He claim he used to be Navy Seal but the only special operation he goes on
is when his Mom tells him his dinner is ready.

Yes, I realized this after I posted my reply. Sorry for feeding the
troll.

rg