Simulators

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So it invalidates your contention that a pilot trained to fly a real C-172
could just sit down and fly a MSFS C-172 because the simulation is so
realistic.

A lot of pilots manage to do this. What's their secret?

The simulation is not realistic for many reasons and the pilot would need
MSFS specific training to make a lot of stuff work.

Hardly. A lot of pilots can just sit in front of it and fly it.

MSFS does not taxit like any real airplane.

That depends on the aircraft.

A MSFS C-172 does not taxi like a real C-172, nor do any of the other
MSFS airplanes I've tryed.

Exactly which aircraft have you tried?

Mxsmanic wrote:
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MSFS does not taxit like any real airplane.

That depends on the aircraft.

Nope.

A MSFS C-172 does not taxi like a real C-172, nor do any of the other
MSFS airplanes I've tryed.

Exactly which aircraft have you tried?

Irrelevant; that the C-172 doesn't is sufficient to prove the point.



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Nope.

Yup. Different aircraft taxi in different ways, and this is simulated,
particularly by add-on aircraft.

Irrelevant; that the C-172 doesn't is sufficient to prove the point.

I'm afraid not. You would know this if you had flown a large selection of
aircraft in the sim.

To MX: Son, you're way too defensive. And (in my humble opinion) taking this
MS simulator much too seriously. There's absolutely nothing wrong with
sim-flying as a harmless hobby. But you're trying to interlace it with the
real thing too rigidly, and thin out the dividing line. Real pilots get lost
and lose their planes, and sometimes their ass, in a farmer's cornfield.
Flatlanders too frequently fly into mountain sides in setting up IFR
approaches too low in mountainous country ( we once had three that flew into
the same mountain in a fairly short period). Pilots die as a result of major
lapses in judgement. I'm not saying that's part of the appeal, but it tends
to sharpen attention, and increase the heart rate. I think that difference
is why you attract some criticism. You do, however, stir up conversation
with some of your comments.

As to "avoiding" having to recover from unusual attitudes, etc., that is
what learning to fly is all about. Every pilot that has ever solo'd has
balooned on round-out, or had a puff of wind baloon you at near stall speed
on landing. You're expected to recover instantly and without a drop of sweat
or a seconds thought. How about you inadvertently come in too close behind a
big transport, and wing tip vortex rolls you upside down 30 feet off the
runway? Something I have experienced many times during training sessions -
you're doing a climbing turn, say to the right, air speed in marginal and
coordination is sloppy. Suddenly the top wing looses lift and the plane
whips violently to the left, and you find yourself nearly vertical and
inverted? (I never could intentionally duplicate this, but I didn't try too
hard, anyone want to explain?). Don't tell me these things never happen to a
seasoned pilot. With proper training, these things become incidents, not
disasters. And panic creates disasters.

I have entered two posts, and am delighted at the responses. Just goes to
show - post something of aeronotical interest and you wake up the pilots
here. Let's keep it up!

birdog writes:

To MX: Son, you're way too defensive.

I don't have to be defensive, since I'm not offended.

Pilots die as a result of major lapses in judgement. I'm not saying
that's part of the appeal, but it tends to sharpen attention, and
increase the heart rate.

If a pilot needs fear of death to fly correctly and safely, he has a serious
psychological problem. And if the risk of death is part of the appeal of
flying for him, he also has a serious problem. Both of these are highly
correlated with poor piloting.

Don't tell me these things never happen to a
seasoned pilot. With proper training, these things become incidents, not
disasters. And panic creates disasters.

How do you train for things that are inherently very dangerous?

On May 17, 8:19*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

How do you train for things that are inherently very dangerous?

By flying and training with instructors who actually fly..

george writes:

By flying and training with instructors who actually fly..

If the instructor or student makes a mistake, then what?

In a real aircraft, training for emergency situations may be more hazardous
than not training for them, particularly if the emergency is rare in normal
operation or is difficult to recover from.

In simulators, the cost of training for recovery from a specific emergency
must be balanced against the cost of training to avoid it, or training for
some other situation. Another consideration for simulation is whether or not
the simulator correctly simulates unusual situations--the most accurate
simulators are driven by databases built from actual test flights, and if
there is no data for a specific flight regime, the simulation cannot be relied
upon. At the same time, however, the regime in question might be so dangerous
in real life that using a real aircraft is out of the question.

Do airline pilots train for spin recovery in their airliners?

On May 16, 3:19*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

If a pilot needs fear of death to fly correctly and safely, he has a serious
psychological problem. And if the risk of death is part of the appeal of
flying for him, he also has a serious problem. Both of these are highly
correlated with poor piloting.

WRONG.

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WRONG.

I'm sure the NTSB will mention this in its report.

They say the last words of many private pilots before an accident are often
"Watch this!"

Mxsmanic wrote:
birdog writes:

Pilots die as a result of major lapses in judgement. I'm not saying
that's part of the appeal, but it tends to sharpen attention, and
increase the heart rate.

If a pilot needs fear of death to fly correctly and safely, he has a serious
psychological problem. And if the risk of death is part of the appeal of
flying for him, he also has a serious problem. Both of these are highly
correlated with poor piloting.

What part of "tends to sharpen attention, and increase the heart rate" do
you not understand?

Don't tell me these things never happen to a
seasoned pilot. With proper training, these things become incidents, not
disasters. And panic creates disasters.

How do you train for things that are inherently very dangerous?

Very carefully, obviously.


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Jim Pennino

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