The State of the Union: Lies about a Dishonest War

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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You don't think Americans being killed and maimed every damned day isn't a
mess?
If we turn our backs on it and walk away, then every one of them will have
been
for nothing.....so, we have to hang in there until we can get some sort of
democratically elected Iraqi government to take over running the country.

In the meanwhile, I think I read somewhere that someone said that the
entire
country was an arsenal full of guns and ammunition, and that we may have
picked
up half or two thirds of them. What's left is still killing our guys.

You can call that whatever you want. I call it a mess, because I don't
see any
way out any time soon that isn't going to continue to kill and main
American
troops each and every day that we're there.


You expected a war without death?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

You don't think Americans being killed and maimed every damned day isn't a
mess? If we turn our backs on it and walk away, then every one of them will
have been for nothing.....so, we have to hang in there until we can get some
sort of democratically elected Iraqi government to take over running the
country.

In the meanwhile, I think I read somewhere that someone said that the entire
country was an arsenal full of guns and ammunition, and that we may have
picked up half or two thirds of them. What's left is still killing our guys.

You can call that whatever you want. I call it a mess, because I don't see
any way out any time soon that isn't going to continue to kill and main
American troops each and every day that we're there.


You expected a war without death?

What war? Remember the words of our President on his arrival on the carrier
deck looking like a warrior? "Mission Accomplished"!!! They even posted a
banner in big letters on the bridge in case anybody missed hearing the President
say it.

I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking about a
post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the President
know because he thinks it's over.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

What war? Remember the words of our President on his arrival on the
carrier
deck looking like a warrior? "Mission Accomplished"!!! They even posted
a
banner in big letters on the bridge in case anybody missed hearing the
President
say it.


No, I don't remember the words of our President on his arrival on the
carrier, please provide a verifiable quote of them. I do recall the banner,
but I do not recall Bush saying "Mission accomplished!"



I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking about
a
post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the
President
know because he thinks it's over.


How do you know the President thinks the war is over? Did he convey this to
you directly? If not, you should be able to provide a verifiable quote to
that effect. Please do so.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

What war? Remember the words of our President on his arrival on the

carrier

deck looking like a warrior? "Mission Accomplished"!!! They even posted

a

banner in big letters on the bridge in case anybody missed hearing the

President

say it.



No, I don't remember the words of our President on his arrival on the
carrier, please provide a verifiable quote of them. I do recall the banner,
but I do not recall Bush saying "Mission accomplished!"



I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking about

a

post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the

President

know because he thinks it's over.



How do you know the President thinks the war is over? Did he convey this to
you directly? If not, you should be able to provide a verifiable quote to
that effect. Please do so.



You really should get one of the nurses in the rest home to show you how
to use Google some time, Steven.

I know that reading isn't a particular strength of yours, so just read
the first paragraph, will you?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bus...ipt/index.html

ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CNN) -- The following is an unedited
transcript of President Bush's historic speech from the flight deck of
the USS Lincoln, during which he declared an end to major combat in Iraq:

Thank you. Thank you all very much.

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham
Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have
ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have
prevailed.

And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that
country.

In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty and for the
peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this
accomplishment, yet it is you, the members of the United States
military, who achieved it. Your courage, your willingness to face danger
for your country and for each other made this day possible.

Because of you our nation is more secure. Because of you the tyrant has
fallen and Iraq is free.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision
and speed and boldness the enemy did not expect and the world had not
seen before.

From distant bases or ships at sea, we sent planes and missiles that
could destroy an enemy division or strike a single bunker. Marines and
soldiers charged to Baghdad across 350 miles of hostile ground in one of
the swiftest advances of heavy arms in history.

You have shown the world the skill and the might of the American armed
forces.

This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a
noble cause. We thank the armed forces of the United Kingdom, Australia
and Poland who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the
citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of
their own country.

And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary Rumsfeld, for General
Franks and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United
States: America is grateful for a job well done.

The character of our military through history, the daring of Normandy,
the fierce courage of Iwo Jima, the decency and idealism that turned
enemies into allies is fully present in this generation.

When Iraqi civilians looked into the faces of our service men and women,
they saw strength and kindness and good will. When I look at the members
of the United States military, I see the best of our country and I am
honored to be your commander in chief.

In the images of fallen statues we have witnessed the arrival of a new
era. For a hundred of years of war, culminating in the nuclear age,
military technology was designed and deployed to inflict casualties on
an ever-growing scale.

In defeating Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, Allied forces destroyed
entire cities, while enemy leaders who started the conflict were safe
until the final days. Military power was used to end a regime by
breaking a nation.

Today we have the greater power to free a nation by breaking a dangerous
and aggressive regime.

With new tactics and precision weapons, we can achieve military
objectives without directing violence against civilians.

No device of man can remove the tragedy from war, yet it is a great
advance when the guilty have far more to fear from war than the innocent.

In the images of celebrating Iraqis we have also seen the ageless appeal
of human freedom. Decades of lies and intimidation could not make the
Iraqi people love their oppressors or desire their own enslavement.

Men and women in every culture need liberty like they need food and
water and air. Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices and
everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear.

We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of
that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders
of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We've
begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already
know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated.

We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for
himself instead of hospitals and schools.

And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a
government of, by and for the Iraqi people.

The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is
worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and
then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on
September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.

That terrible morning, 19 evil men, the shock troops of a hateful
ideology, gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their
ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September
the 11th would be the beginning of the end of America.

By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their
allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve and force
our retreat from the world.

They have failed.

In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists
and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people
lay roads, restore hospitals and educate all of their children.

Yet we also have dangerous work to complete. As I speak, a special
operations task force lead by the 82nd Airborne is on the trail of the
terrorists and those who seek to undermine the free government of
Afghanistan.

America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.

From Pakistan to the Philippines to the Horn of Africa, we are hunting
down Al Qaida killers.

Nineteen months ago I pledged that the terrorists would not escape the
patient justice of the United States. And as of tonight nearly one half
of Al Qaida's senior operatives have been captured or killed.

The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against
terror. We have removed an ally of Al Qaida and cut off a source of
terrorist funding.

And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass
destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.

In these 19 months that changed the world, our actions have been focused
and deliberate and proportionate to the offense. We have not forgotten
the victims of September the 11th, the last phone calls, the cold murder
of children, the searches in the rubble. With those attacks, the
terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and
war is what they got.

Our war against terror is proceeding according to the principles that I
have made clear to all.

Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against
the American people becomes an enemy of this country and a target of
American justice.

Any person, organization or government that supports, protects or
harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and
equally guilty of terrorist crimes. Any outlaw regime that has ties to
terrorist groups and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction is a
grave danger to the civilized world and will be confronted.

And anyone in the world, including the Arab world, who works and
sacrifices for freedom has a loyal friend in the United States of America.

Our commitment to liberty is America's tradition, declared at our
founding, affirmed in Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms, asserted in
the Truman Doctrine and in Ronald Reagan's challenge to an evil empire.

We are committed to freedom in Afghanistan, Iraq and in a peaceful
Palestine.

The advance of freedom is the surest strategy to undermine the appeal of
terror in the world. Where freedom takes hold, hatred gives way to hope.

When freedom takes hold, men and women turn to the peaceful pursuit of a
better life.

American values and American interests lead in the same direction. We
stand for human liberty.

The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in
many ways: with all of the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement,
intelligence and finance.

We are working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the
threat and our shared responsibility to meet it.

The use of force has been and remains our last resort. Yet all can know,
friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer
threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.

Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered
cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations and we know
from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people.
The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger.

The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government
has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland and we will
continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.

The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the
day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide.

No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve,
or alter their fate. Their cause is lost; free nations will press on to
victory.

Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to
occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more
than to return home. And that is your direction tonight.

After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war, after 100,000
miles on the longest carrier deployment in recent history, you are
homeward bound.

Some of you will see new family members for the first time; 150 babies
were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are
proud of you, and your nation will welcome you.

We are mindful as well that some good men and women are not making the
journey home. One of those who fell, Corporal Jason Mileo, spoke to his
parents five days before his death. Jason's father said, "He called us
from the center of Baghdad, not to brag but to tell us he loved us. Our
son was a soldier."

Every name, every life is a loss to our military, to our nation and to
the loved ones who grieve. There is no homecoming for these families.
Yet we pray in God's time their reunion will come.

Those we lost were last seen on duty.

Their final act on this Earth was to fight a great evil and bring
liberty to others.

All of you, all in this generation of our military, have taken up the
highest calling of history: You were defending your country and
protecting the innocent from harm.

And wherever you go, you carry a message of hope, a message that is
ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "To the
captives, come out; and to those in darkness, be free."

Thank you for serving our country and our cause.

May God bless you all. And may God continue to bless America.

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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You really should get one of the nurses in the rest home to show you how
to use Google some time, Steven.

I know that reading isn't a particular strength of yours, so just read
the first paragraph, will you?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bus...ipt/index.html

ABOARD THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CNN) -- The following is an unedited
transcript of President Bush's historic speech from the flight deck of
the USS Lincoln, during which he declared an end to major combat in Iraq:

Thank you. Thank you all very much.

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham
Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have
ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have
prevailed.


Ah, I see. You believe "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" means
"the war is over." Obviously I'm not the one due for remedial reading
class.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

No, I don't remember the words of our President on his arrival on the
carrier, please provide a verifiable quote of them. I do recall the banner,
but I do not recall Bush saying "Mission accomplished!"

No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat phase of
the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I
can.

I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking about a
post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the
President know because he thinks it's over.

How do you know the President thinks the war is over? Did he convey this to
you directly? If not, you should be able to provide a verifiable quote to
that effect. Please do so

The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was over".
Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can.
..

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

No, I don't remember the words of our President on his arrival on the
carrier, please provide a verifiable quote of them. I do recall the
banner,
but I do not recall Bush saying "Mission accomplished!"

No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat
phase of
the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as
easily as I
can.

Apparently you can't use it at all, since you have once again lied about
what the exact wording the President used. I say lie because you have
recently been playing pretty loose with your "facts" in these arguments.
Hardly surprising given your single-minded, Pavlovian anti-Bush squawks of
late--"facts" would be inconvenient for your rants, right? His actual words
were, "Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham
Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In
the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now
our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country...We
have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that
country that remain dangerous...The transition from dictatorship to
democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will
stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind
a free Iraq..."

Gee, when you look at what he REALLY said, as opposed to your self-serving
"translation" of his remarks inot a different context", it looks like he was
pretty accurate. The "major combat phase", where our servicemembers
confronted the Iraqi regular military and tossed its leader from power,
*was* over. And the "securing and reconstructing" portion of the overall
mission has been difficult and dangerous, as he said. So just what the hell
are you differing with him about here, Georgie?


I know it's a struggle for you to stay on topic, but we were talking
about a
post-war mess. If you want to call that a war, you ought to let the
President know because he thinks it's over.

How do you know the President thinks the war is over? Did he convey
this to
you directly? If not, you should be able to provide a verifiable quote
to
that effect. Please do so

The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was
over".
Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can.

Another lie from Georgie, who since he claims to know how to use Google,
should have been able to come up with the accurate wording himself; had you
just been plain ignorant of the president's actual wording, we could call it
a mistake, but since you know how to find the transcript and still choose to
misquote him, that makes you a liar.

Brooks

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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat
phase of
the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as
easily as I
can.


Probably easier. I don't need to use Google to find a quote of what he
actually said, I already know what he actually said.



The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was
over".
Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can.


Easier. The point is he didn't say the war was over.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat
phase of the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google
as easily as I can.


Probably easier. I don't need to use Google to find a quote of what he
actually said, I already know what he actually said.



The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war was
over". Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I can.


Easier. The point is he didn't say the war was over.

If you say so. In any case, I'm satisfied that the words he used meant exactly
that, and I expect that most of the English speaking world feels the same way
about it.

You must have an awful inferiority complex to get satisfaction out of twisting
the words of others. I've noticed that I'm not the only one you favor in that
manner since you seem to use that ploy with just about anybody who foolishly
exchanges words with you. It hardly generates friendly feelings or even
feelings of civility to be constantly and persistently pushed by you to explain
the meanings of commonly accepted words and/or phrases or to have you redefine
their meanings into something that wasn't intended, but if that's how you get
your jollies, I don't expect that bringing it to your attention will result in
any behavioral changes on your part. But I felt that I had to try even if it
ends up only being something akin to ****ing into the wind.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...

No, he didn't use those precise words. All he said was that the combat
phase of the war was over. Find the quote yourself.....you can use
Google
as easily as I can.


Probably easier. I don't need to use Google to find a quote of what he
actually said, I already know what he actually said.



The press reported what he said, i.e. - "the combat phase of the war
was
over". Find the quote yourself.....you can use Google as easily as I
can.


Easier. The point is he didn't say the war was over.

If you say so. In any case, I'm satisfied that the words he used meant
exactly
that, and I expect that most of the English speaking world feels the same
way
about it.

You must have an awful inferiority complex to get satisfaction out of
twisting
the words of others.

ROFLOL! Now that's a ripsnorter, coming from the guy who is King of Word
Twisting when it comes to misquoting the subject of this particular
discussion. Do that Google you were bragging about and you will find that
Steven is correct in stating that your quote is not accurate.

Brooks

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