FAA Medical Question

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On Jul 17, 4:48Â*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Current medical standards are excessively strict,

What are your qualifications to make this statement?????????????

MSFS experience?????????????

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

IMHO for private and below I agree.

There already exists the obligation to self certify before each flight
and there is nothing that requires one to run to a doctor to get evaluated
when you get sick or injured.

What I would propose is that the FAA medical exam for private and below
be replaced with a requirement to get a physical from a real doctor, any
doctor, once a year, which everyone should do anyway, and based on that
you self certify your general fitness to fly.

The physical would be entered into your log.

As a bonus, most insurance will pay for an ordinary physical but not a
FAA physical.

I'm on the fence where some ratings are involved as in should the current
FAA medical requirement be kept to hold and exercise ratings such as IFR,
jets or over 12,000 pounds.



--
Jim Pennino

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On Sep 1, 11:38*am, wrote:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

Yes, but a broken clock "been there and done it twice a day"

Mx hasn't been through a medical exam so he is not qualified to even
know. I never took a medical to play MSFS.

I have had an exam that essentially was place a mirror under my nose,
I'm breathing, I came in the office so I can see, and I am talking to
the examiner so I can hear to the full fledge "the way it's suppose to
be done exam" hence me bringing up Mx's lack of qualification on
saying it's too strict or not. He has no clue what happens behind the
closed doors.

IMHO for private and below I agree.

There already exists the obligation to self certify before each flight
and there is nothing that requires one to run to a doctor to get evaluated
when you get sick or injured.

Agree and this applies to sports as well to PPL.

What I would propose is that the FAA medical exam for private and below
be replaced with a requirement to get a physical from a real doctor, any
doctor, once a year, which everyone should do anyway, and based on that
you self certify your general fitness to fly.

My take has always been, the damage on the ground will most likely be
the same whether it be a 110 hp plane or a 180. So, why not convert
the medical requirement based on equipment rather then certificate
type would be my take. (I see you said this later on)

As a bonus, most insurance will pay for an ordinary physical but not a
FAA physical.

Very true, but in my case, since I never have been the doctoring type,
my medicals every two years have been "life saving" literally and
figuratively. What you suggest essentially would cost me twice as
much since I never meet my insurance deductable.

I'm on the fence where some ratings are involved as in should the current
FAA medical requirement be kept to hold and exercise ratings such as IFR,
jets or over 12,000 pounds.

Yep, was replying as I was reading, so yes, as I said above (and you),
more logical to base the medical requirement on equipment being
operated.

writes:

IMHO for private and below I agree.

There already exists the obligation to self certify before each flight
and there is nothing that requires one to run to a doctor to get evaluated
when you get sick or injured.

What I would propose is that the FAA medical exam for private and below
be replaced with a requirement to get a physical from a real doctor, any
doctor, once a year, which everyone should do anyway, and based on that
you self certify your general fitness to fly.

The physical would be entered into your log.

As a bonus, most insurance will pay for an ordinary physical but not a
FAA physical.

This seems like a very reasonable policy. Private pilots are not carrying
passengers for hire. Other passengers have the option of flying or not flying
with the pilot, generally speaking. And of course a pilot flying alone isn't
an issue, either. Danger to people on the ground is almost nonexistent, so a
pilot in poor health mainly just puts himself at risk ... which should be his
prerogative.

I'm on the fence where some ratings are involved as in should the current
FAA medical requirement be kept to hold and exercise ratings such as IFR,
jets or over 12,000 pounds.

Most FAA restrictions are de jure, not having been verified against real-world
data. They seem to be inherited from military programs and archaic flight
standards. They are also very inconsistent: a person who had a seizure twice
in childhood might be disqualified, but a person who is 150 lbs overweight can
still be certified ... even though the obese person is almost certainly at
much greater risk of sudden incapacitation than the person who had seizures in
childhood.

On Jul 17, 9:17*am, "vaughn" wrote:
"Mike Adams" wrote in message

.. .

If you have your own physical and it finds *something, you're obligated to
report it on the FAA medical application
form.

This is a classic case of unintended consequences from a perfectly
reasonable-sounding governmental regulation. *The requirement for medical
certification may actually make pilots, especially Commercial pilots, LESS
healthy because any visit to their private physician has the potential to ground
them and forever remove their livelihood. *It is hard to think of any other
group of workers with that type of potential bombshell hanging over their head.

Vaughn

I had a conversation about a related subject yesterday. This had to do
with recruiting healthy subjects in the 40 to 60 year old range for a
clinical trial. The principal investigator mentioned that about 1 in 8
of those who self reported themselves as 'healthy' failed to meet the
screening criteria and were referred to their primary care physician
or a cardiologist. This 'unintended experiment' more or less led me to
conclude most of us with class 2 or 3 physicals may only see an MD for
a regular check up as part of of flight physical, and that is probably
the first time many of us learn of an underlying problem.

The obvious exception of course would be eye examinations.

Some health problems are preventable -- there are better reasons than
a desire to fly as PIC to stay fit, but no matter what the reason,
just do it! (Full disclosure, I own Nike stock.)

I do agree some small number when learning of a problem from someone
other than a flight surgeon will try to hide it. If the uncovered
disease is cardio pulmonary messing around in airplanes around 10,000
feet without supplementary O2 is not smart and it would be a good idea
for a prudent pilot to know that.

For what it's worth I have no such problems, but have been persuaded
O2 and a bottle of 5 Hour Energy is a good way to stay safe at 10,000
feet at night. (Hey guys, Five Hour Energy has a lot less fluid than a
thermos of high octane coffee, and that makes the need for urinating
into a ziplock bag on a long XC less likely -- more than you wanted
to know, huh?).

On Jul 18, 8:31*am, a wrote:

This 'unintended experiment' more or less led me to
conclude most of us with class 2 or 3 physicals may only see an MD for
a regular check up as part of of flight physical, and that is probably
the first time many of us learn of an underlying problem.

Yep, describes me to the tee. 2 very serious conditions for me was
discovered during my medical. One as described in my prior post
extreme hypertension and another was pre-melanoma freckle on my back
that look like a freckle to me. Both considered silent killers since
I had no "symptoms" to complain about.

So, this pilot doesn't complain about the nuances of the medical
process.

Of course I now see a doctor once a year for my BP medication renewal
but even then it's less then an FAA medical review.

Originally Posted by

On Jul 18, 8:31*am, a wrote:

This 'unintended experiment' more or less led me to
conclude most of us with class 2 or 3 physicals may only see an MD for
a regular check up as part of of flight physical, and that is probably
the first time many of us learn of an underlying problem.

Yep, describes me to the tee. 2 very serious conditions for me was
discovered during my medical. One as described in my prior post
extreme hypertension and another was pre-melanoma freckle on my back
that look like a freckle to me. Both considered silent killers since
I had no "symptoms" to complain about.

So, this pilot doesn't complain about the nuances of the medical
process.

Of course I now see a doctor once a year for my BP medication renewal
but even then it's less then an FAA medical review.

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"a" wrote in message
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and that is probably
the first time many of us learn of an underlying problem.

Perhaps, but I don't know of any serious research that proves that the present
FAA medical certification system has any statistically significant role in
predicting/preventing incidents of sudden pilot incapacitation. (The system has
virtually no role in detecting declining judgement, reaction time, or flying
skills; that is why we have the flight review process.)

The obvious exception of course would be eye examinations.

How so? Actually eyes can get pretty bad before a person finally stops
compensating and seeks help. The same is true for hearing.

Some health problems are preventable -- there are better reasons than
a desire to fly as PIC to stay fit, but no matter what the reason,
just do it! (Full disclosure, I own Nike stock.)

I tended towards overweight until I finally got serious about being a glider
pilot. Then I took off the extra poundage and have been thus for the last 15-20
years.

I do agree some small number when learning of a problem from someone
other than a flight surgeon will try to hide it.

Agree with all above except the word "small".

If the uncovered
disease is cardio pulmonary messing around in airplanes around 10,000
feet without supplementary O2 is not smart and it would be a good idea
for a prudent pilot to know that.

True. You can buy a blood oxygen tester for under $100.00 these days. (Knowing
your O2 saturation at altitude is important, but is still not the whole story)

Vaughn

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On Jul 18, 12:28*pm, "vaughn" wrote:
"a" wrote in message

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and that is probably
the first time many of us learn of an underlying problem.

Perhaps, but I don't know of any serious research that proves that the present
FAA medical certification system has any statistically significant role in
predicting/preventing incidents of sudden pilot incapacitation. *(The system has
virtually no role in detecting declining judgement, reaction time, or flying
skills; that is why we have the flight review process.)

The obvious exception of course would be eye examinations.

How so? *Actually eyes can get pretty bad before a person finally stops
compensating and seeks help. *The same is true for hearing.

Some health problems are preventable -- there are better reasons than
a desire to fly as PIC to stay fit, but no matter what the reason,
just do it! (Full disclosure, I own Nike stock.)

I tended towards overweight until I finally got serious about being a glider
pilot. *Then I took off the extra poundage and have been thus for the last 15-20
years.

I do agree some small number when learning of a problem from someone
other than a flight surgeon will try to hide it.

Agree with all above except the word "small".

If the uncovered
disease is cardio pulmonary messing around in airplanes around 10,000
feet without supplementary O2 is not smart and it would be a good idea
for a prudent pilot to know that.

True. *You can buy a blood oxygen tester for under $100.00 these days. *(Knowing
your O2 saturation at altitude is important, but is still not the whole story)

Vaughn

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I have not attempted to find evidence that medicals prevent accidents
-- the research may not have been done. Not many accidents in GA have
medical/physical incapacitation listed as the cause, which does NOT
mean the medical certification is preventing such causes. There are, I
think we can agree, physical conditions that are not as much a cause
for concern on the ground as they might be in the air, but I have no
evidence as to how often the exam uncovers them.

I mentioned eye tests because some of us visit eye care professionals
at intervals different than we visit flight surgeons. I've already
learned my personal habits and findings are likely different than many
others who enjoy GA, but I based my comments on my experience and
those other pilots with whom I am friendly who pretty much fly like I
do (namely, the airplane is a business tool that can get us door to
door faster if the trip is less than say 800 miles faster than most
other ways.)

Good for you in deciding if you needed additional ballast you'd add
water rather than fat! There is some emerging analysis that tends to
suggest human life span in the US may stop extending and may in fact
contract with the increasing obesity and the problems that brings. We
were at a flea market at the Sate Fair Grounds in NC yesterday, and
came across -- I kid you not! -- a vendor offering chocolate covered
bacon!

What wine would go with that?

We
were at a flea market at the Sate Fair Grounds in NC yesterday, and
came across -- I kid you not! -- a vendor offering chocolate covered
bacon!

What wine would go with that?

Chuckle-

How about deep fried butter? Yep, I kid you not. There has been some for
sale there, in past years.
--
Jim in NC

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:28:17 -0400, vaughn wrote:

I tended towards overweight until I finally got serious about being a
glider pilot. Then I took off the extra poundage and have been thus for
the last 15-20 years.

Hanging around pilots, many of whom are overweight, that face losing
their medicals is also rather motivating. At least, it has been so for
me.

- Andrew