GWB and the Air Guard

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:45:51 GMT,
(John S. Shinal) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote:

....working off a script of DNC "talking points."

As a voice of reason in this whole tempest - does GWB's
assignment to an obsolescent platform have anything to do with this
fulfillment of duty ?

I wasn't aware that anyone's "dream sheet" was ever a sure
thing ? Didn't he take what he was told to, i.e. the Deuce ? It sounds
like the luck of the draw to me...

Folks who get UPT enroute to a Guard slot are locked into the unit
equipment. No "dream sheet" involved. It's resulted in some shopping
around by prospective trainees for a guard unit that's got the desired
equipment.

Among some folks that I met at fighter lead-in training when I was
instructing were Dino Martin (Dean's son) who was killed flying an F-4
into a mountain in California, and Ross Perot (son of Ross Perot) who
flew F-4s for the TANG.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Ed Rasimus" wrote

Folks who get UPT enroute to a Guard slot are locked into the unit
equipment. No "dream sheet" involved. It's resulted in some shopping
around by prospective trainees for a guard unit that's got the desired
equipment.

I know of a couple of enlisted crewdogs who are now pilots because of
the guard. One tried his whole first enlistment to get into the Academy,
then got out and joined the Guard. Another did 10 years active before
transfer to the Guard. They both fly C-130J and are loving it.

They went where they were needed, spent a year in the unit while getting
their Degree and Commission, and then applied for a pilot slot.

If you want to fly, and your parents aren't politicians or know one, then
this is a pretty good way to go :-)

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:45:51 GMT,
(John S. Shinal) wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote:

....working off a script of DNC "talking points."

As a voice of reason in this whole tempest - does GWB's
assignment to an obsolescent platform have anything to do with this
fulfillment of duty ?

I wasn't aware that anyone's "dream sheet" was ever a sure
thing ? Didn't he take what he was told to, i.e. the Deuce ? It sounds
like the luck of the draw to me...

Folks who get UPT enroute to a Guard slot are locked into the unit
equipment. No "dream sheet" involved. It's resulted in some shopping
around by prospective trainees for a guard unit that's got the desired
equipment.

Among some folks that I met at fighter lead-in training when I was
instructing were Dino Martin (Dean's son) who was killed flying an F-4
into a mountain in California, and Ross Perot (son of Ross Perot) who
flew F-4s for the TANG.

Ed, when was Martin in LIFT? I saw a documentary recently on his dad, and it
mentioned the son's accident. I had vague memories of it being in the news
when it happened, but found little on the web about his ANG experience. Made
me kind of curious as to his story (not all that many sons of the rich and
famous saw fit to serve in the military during the early eighties). You know
anything more about this?

Brooks




Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Ed, when was Martin in LIFT? I saw a documentary recently on his dad, and
it
mentioned the son's accident. I had vague memories of it being in the news
when it happened, but found little on the web about his ANG experience.
Made
me kind of curious as to his story (not all that many sons of the rich and
famous saw fit to serve in the military during the early eighties). You
know
anything more about this?

Brooks


It was covered in a Dean Martin biography I read in the last couple of
years. Might check with the library and see what may have been published in
that period. I think it was written by one of the other kids.

Tex

Among some folks that I met at fighter lead-in training when I was
instructing were Dino Martin (Dean's son) who was killed flying an F-4
into a mountain in California, and Ross Perot (son of Ross Perot) who
flew F-4s for the TANG.

A C-119 retardant tanker later crashed virtually on the exact site as Martins
F-4C crash.


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

"Ron" wrote

A C-119 retardant tanker later crashed virtually on the exact site as Martins
F-4C crash.

But about 400 knots slower :-) Dino is pretty much a part of that mountain
now. I think they found his jaw bone, and that's what they gave to his dad.

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:18:12 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
.. .
Among some folks that I met at fighter lead-in training when I was
instructing were Dino Martin (Dean's son) who was killed flying an F-4
into a mountain in California, and Ross Perot (son of Ross Perot) who
flew F-4s for the TANG.

Ed, when was Martin in LIFT? I saw a documentary recently on his dad, and it
mentioned the son's accident. I had vague memories of it being in the news
when it happened, but found little on the web about his ANG experience. Made
me kind of curious as to his story (not all that many sons of the rich and
famous saw fit to serve in the military during the early eighties). You know
anything more about this?

Brooks

I was at LIFT from July '81 til June of '85. Dino came through in '83
and Perot in '84. Both were good guys with no attitude issues. Each
was fully qualified, no double standard involved.

Martin's accident occured during a radar trail departure in bad
weather out of March AFB (IIRC).


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:41:13 -0700, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Martin's accident occured during a radar trail departure in bad
weather out of March AFB (IIRC).

George, I think, not March. There were F-4s at George but not at
Marsh. He flew into the side of Mt San Antonio (Baldy) fairly near
the top, as I recall. It took the recovery crews some time to find
the site, I believe, because there had been no witnesses and they had
to wait for the weather to clear.

Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer