Is it easier now?

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Ed Majden"
Date: 2/27/04 6:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: EqT%b.633877$X%5.197935@pd7tw2no


"ArtKramr" "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National

Why is the ANG being put down by so many? They provide a very usefull
reserve function and in many cases are regular force members that have
returned to civilian life. In Canada we call these units the reserves.
They are now being used by the CF on many peace keeping and peace making
missions. Most of our reserves are Army types but there is also an air and
naval element reserves. I think they do a dammed fine job.
Ed



That was not my quote. It was made by General Colin Powell in his book.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:55:32 GMT, "Ed Majden"
wrote:

Why is the ANG being put down by so many?

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In article ,
on 27 Feb 2004 14:09:32 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....



I'll let Colin Powell answer for me:

You arn't Gen Powell





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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

Got a question for you Art.
Name a politian who became President and had served in the National Guard?

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Clue Field Artillery



And he was a Democrat also



He said among other quotes "Never kick a fresh turd on a warm day."



Harry S Truman was the guy.

And IIRC he used influence to get elected Captain of his battery. The story
goes that he called afew favors too .

Rick Clark

ubject: Is it easier now?
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 2/27/04 11:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Got a question for you Art.
Name a politian who became President and had served in the National Guard?

Down


Down





Clue Field Artillery



And he was a Democrat also



He said among other quotes "Never kick a fresh turd on a warm day."



Harry S Truman was the guy.

And IIRC he used influence to get elected Captain of his battery. The story
goes that he called afew favors too .

Rick Clark


Yeah a lot of politicians went into the Guard. Like Bush. I guess you disagree
with Powell.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art flustered and spit out:
Yeah a lot of politicians went into the Guard. Like Bush. I guess you
disagree
with Powell.

Powell was talking about a specific time period, not over three centuries of
North American Militia history.
There were some people hiding out in the Militia in the period in question, but
not all! Most were professional patriotic people doing their part. You are
painting all reservists of more than three centuries of North American history
inaccurately and unfairly.
You refuse to acknowledge any other view except your own as impossible,
traitorous and a lie.

Rick Clark
P.S.
I guess you know that you can never go to Texas again. You have just called the
Texas Rangers a bunch of Wussies also, they started out as Militia/Minutemen.

On 2/28/04 5:10 AM, in article ,
"ArtKramr" wrote:

Yeah a lot of politicians went into the Guard. Like Bush. I guess you disagree
with Powell.

Yes it is easier now, as it is anytime we don't have to fight an all-out war
that requires total mobilization. But talk to LBJ about your complaints re
the guard. In fact, if you do dig him up, kick his ass once for me.

I disagree that Powell would have meant to include the ANG in general and
aircrew members in particular, in such a statement. If he did intend it, I
believe that, like too many Army types, he didn't really understand either
the USAF or the ANG. Given the historical context, which has been provided
repeatedly here and elsewhere and which you cannot understand or choose to
ignore, the Army Guard in the VN war years had a very different character
from that of the Air Guard.

If NOBODY could have avoided serving in some manner during those years, that
would have been better. If only volunteers had been used in SEA it would
have been best -- and an entirely different war, with no significant social
repercussions, and a hell of a lot greater likelihood of either success or a
far earlier peace through diplomatic compromise.

Sorry we didn't have your war to fight in, Art. We did pretty well,
considering the "leadership" we had to work with, in the war we did have. If
their decision was not to send Bush's unit, nor to allow pilots with less
than 500 hours to go to SEA on an individual basis, that's nobody's fault
but the Whitehouse'.

No one complains about Bob Hope's kid going into the CA ANG in 1965, why
bitch about GHWBush's kid going into the TX ANG when the war was, for the
USA, in its winding-down phase? I trust your vision through the Norden was
more clear in 1944 than it is when you read the newspaper today, because you
are off-target.

Perhaps you are reticent to take on Dubya where it matters, which is in his
ability to lead the Nation through some tough times in the proper direction.
But if you want to stick with the patriotic behavior thing, then fine --
stand by for a tidal wave which will wash Kerry right off the platform.


Jack
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