great flight! 1500 KM in a 304CZ

On Friday, March 8, 2013 12:29:37 AM UTC-6, Ramy wrote:
Still, a very respectful flight, but definitely not a 1500km by any standard. Ramy

Ramy, there is more to life and flying than just OLC. Randy was looking at turn-around to turn-arond distance. OLC only allows distance to be credited for up to 6 legs. Spiders and Octopi not allowed. Certainly no centipedes. A flight of personal accomplishment and satisfaction. Well done, Randy!

Steve Leonard

On Friday, March 8, 2013 6:38:48 AM UTC-8, Steve Leonard wrote:
On Friday, March 8, 2013 12:29:37 AM UTC-6, Ramy wrote:

Still, a very respectful flight, but definitely not a 1500km by any standard. Ramy



Ramy, there is more to life and flying than just OLC. Randy was looking at turn-around to turn-arond distance. OLC only allows distance to be credited for up to 6 legs. Spiders and Octopi not allowed. Certainly no centipedes. A flight of personal accomplishment and satisfaction. Well done, Randy!



Steve Leonard

Steve, which part of my comment "a very respectful flight, but definitely not a 1500km by any standard" you don't agree with?
If you want to get the max possible distance from every flight, just multiple you average speed by the hours you flew. This will account for spiders and octopi and every circle you make. You can do a 1000km flight without ever getting out of glide from the airport.
But I repeat, an 861km flight on the ridge close to the ground is very respectful and a great achievement. Well done indeed!

Ramy

On Saturday, March 9, 2013 1:38:11 AM UTC-6, Ramy wrote:
Steve, which part of my comment "a very respectful flight, but definitely not a 1500km by any standard" you don't agree with? If you want to get the max possible distance from every flight, just multiple you average speed by the hours you flew. This will account for spiders and octopi and every circle you make. You can do a 1000km flight without ever getting out of glide from the airport. But I repeat, an 861km flight on the ridge close to the ground is very respectful and a great achievement. Well done indeed! Ramy

First, it is a respecatble, not respectful flight. Second, your comment that is it "not a 1500 KM flight BY ANY STANDARD" ignores the fact that he did fly that far. Just because OLC doesn't recognize it does not mean it isn't so. Third, you get your best approximation of max distance flown by integrating groundspeed over flight time. Fourth, I am glad to see that you are joining the rest of us in congratulating Randy on his spectacular, sunrise to sunset ridge flight in what is generally thought of as the Flatlands of the Central USA.

Steve

Ramy wrote:

Still, a very respectful flight, but definitely not a 1500km by any
standard.

Not a 1500km flight by FAI badge standards (4 legs maximum) and not by OLC
standards (6 legs maximum), but there is a standard that allows up to 12
legs: the MAT task used at SSA contests.

More precisely, the MAT allows a maximum of 11 turnpoints, and a big
"attaboy" will go to the first RASer who can correctly explain why the rules
specify that odd number. (Hint: that number goes back long before the
introduction of the GPS flight recorder)

Gary Ittner P7
"Have glider, will race"

On Friday, March 8, 2013 12:08:23 PM UTC-6, Gary Ittner wrote:
Ramy wrote:



Still, a very respectful flight, but definitely not a 1500km by any

standard.



Not a 1500km flight by FAI badge standards (4 legs maximum) and not by OLC

standards (6 legs maximum), but there is a standard that allows up to 12

legs: the MAT task used at SSA contests.



More precisely, the MAT allows a maximum of 11 turnpoints, and a big

"attaboy" will go to the first RASer who can correctly explain why the rules

specify that odd number. (Hint: that number goes back long before the

introduction of the GPS flight recorder)



Gary Ittner P7

"Have glider, will race"

Dont tell me... Max number of frames on the 126 instamatic camera film cartridges?

wby0nder wrote:

Dont tell me... Max number of frames on the 126 instamatic camera film
cartridges?

You're getting warm, but the Instamatic film cartridges had 12 frames, so
why limit the number of turnpoint photos to 11 ?

On Friday, March 8, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC-5, Gary Ittner wrote:
wby0nder wrote:



Dont tell me... Max number of frames on the 126 instamatic camera film

cartridges?



You're getting warm, but the Instamatic film cartridges had 12 frames, so

why limit the number of turnpoint photos to 11 ?

Need one frame for the photo board, of course.

T8

Evan Ludeman wrote:

Need one frame for the photo board, of course.

T8

You are correct, sir.

When contests switched from cameras to flight recorders, there was no longer
any reason to limit turnpoints to 11, but neither was there any compelling
reason to change that number. It was left unchanged for tradition's sake.
The
MAT and its precursers, the Pilot Selected Task, Pilot Option Speed Task,
and
Prescribed Area Distance Task, go back nearly half a century.

Gary Ittner P7
"Have glider, will race"

On Friday, March 8, 2013 11:28:46 AM UTC-7, Gary Ittner wrote:
wby0nder wrote:



Dont tell me... Max number of frames on the 126 instamatic camera film

cartridges?



You're getting warm, but the Instamatic film cartridges had 12 frames, so

why limit the number of turnpoint photos to 11 ?

ID prior to the flight?