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"Ragnar" wrote in message
... Rules for hiking in bear country: 1. ALWAYS bring a friend. 2. ALWAYS carry a .22LR pistol. NOTE: don't tell friend you have a gun. 3. When charged by a bear, shoot friend in leg. 4. RUN. You can't outrun a bear, but you can outrun your friend. I like ![]() -- Paul J. Adam |
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![]() "B2431" wrote in message ... From: "Ragnar" Rules for hiking in bear country: 1. ALWAYS bring a friend. 2. ALWAYS carry a .22LR pistol. NOTE: don't tell friend you have a gun. 3. When charged by a bear, shoot friend in leg. 4. RUN. You can't outrun a bear, but you can outrun your friend. The only drawback is next time you go camping You will have a harder time taking a friend. I suggest taking a lawyer, draft dodger or child molester.No jury would convict you. Good suggestion. The only drawback is that I might not even need to see a bear in order to shoot them. |
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Bob McKellar wrote: Harry Andreas wrote: In article , (SteveM8597) wrote: I have carried a firearm a time or two while backpacking in grizzly country but not in state and national parks where they are illegal. I hear the situation in some of the CA parks is pretty bad, though. Not what I would consider a survival situation, just common sense. Best bet for bear and cougar defense is actually pepper spray, although I've also carried a .357, especially when hiking with kids. So, pepper spray doesn't work well on kids? If it improves the taste of their food enough that they'll eat it without complaining, then it works just fine. |
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![]() "Harry Andreas" wrote in message ... In article , (SteveM8597) wrote: I have carried a firearm a time or two while backpacking in grizzly country but not in state and national parks where they are illegal. I hear the situation in some of the CA parks is pretty bad, though. Not what I would consider a survival situation, just common sense. Best bet for bear and cougar defense is actually pepper spray, although I've also carried a .357, especially when hiking with kids. I go with the 45 apc, as the only real danger when camping is human. Unless you are someone unfamiliar with animals. I really hate to see someone injure a bear, or cougar. I had a fat badger on my front porch looking for cat food and I paased on terrorizing the little stinker. |
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![]() "Harry Andreas" wrote in message ... In article , (SteveM8597) wrote: I have carried a firearm a time or two while backpacking in grizzly country but not in state and national parks where they are illegal. I hear the situation in some of the CA parks is pretty bad, though. Not what I would consider a survival situation, just common sense. Best bet for bear and cougar defense is actually pepper spray, although I've also carried a .357, especially when hiking with kids. I've lately been thinking hard about an Alaska trip and noted bear gun recommendations from the National Park Service. Here's what they have posted in one spot (note that guns can't be carried in *some* of Alaska's national parks): "If you are inexperienced with a firearm in emergency situations, you are more likely to be injured by a gun than a bear. It is illegal to carry firearms in some of Alaska's national parks, so check before you go. A .300-Magnum rifle or a 12-gauge shotgun with rifled slugs are appropriate weapons if you have to shoot a bear. Heavy handguns such as a .44-Magnum may be inadequate in emergency situations, especially in untrained hands. State law allows a bear to be shot in self-defense if you did not provoke the attack and if there is no alternative, but the hide and skull must be salvaged and turned over to the authorities. Defensive aerosol sprays which contain capsaicin (red pepper extract) have been used with some success for protection against bears. These sprays may be effective at a range of 6-8 yards. If discharged upwind or in a vehicle, they can disable the user. Take appropriate precautions. If you carry a spray can, keep it handy and know how to use it." |
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"John Keeney" wrote:
"Harry Andreas" wrote: (SteveM8597) wrote: I have carried a firearm a time or two while backpacking in grizzly country but not in state and national parks where they are illegal. I hear the situation in some of the CA parks is pretty bad, though. Not what I would consider a survival situation, just common sense. Best bet for bear and cougar defense is actually pepper spray, although I've also carried a .357, especially when hiking with kids. A .357 is great for shooting at your neighbor. It might be okay for a cougar, though your chances of killing the kids is great too. (Though a snub nosed .357 that you shoot into the air to make noise might well be more effective than trying to shoot at the animal with something that might kill it or the kids.) I've lately been thinking hard about an Alaska trip and noted bear gun recommendations from the National Park Service. Here's what they have posted in one spot (note that guns can't be carried in *some* of Alaska's national parks): What you have quoted is *extremely* good advice. "If you are inexperienced with a firearm in emergency situations, you are more likely to be injured by a gun than a bear. It is illegal to carry firearms in some of Alaska's national parks, so check before you go. A .300-Magnum rifle or a 12-gauge shotgun with rifled slugs are appropriate weapons if you have to shoot a bear. Heavy handguns such as a .44-Magnum may be inadequate in emergency situations, especially in untrained hands. People should pay particular attention to that statement. Any time you see someone using a .44, or any other handgun, for bear protection (with one exception which I'll explain farther down), what you know is that they don't understand bears, but they do like to show off. State law allows a bear to be shot in self-defense if you did not provoke the attack and if there is no alternative, but the hide and skull must be salvaged and turned over to the authorities. Defensive aerosol sprays which contain capsaicin (red pepper extract) have been used with some success for protection against bears. These sprays may be effective at a range of 6-8 yards. If discharged upwind or in a vehicle, they can disable the user. Take appropriate precautions. If you carry a spray can, keep it handy and know how to use it." Which is to say... if you can be assured that all bears will attack you running into the wind, then pepper spray is suitable. Otherwise, not. Note that there is one way to make bear protection with a pistol work. This is quite handy and has many great side benefits, or at least it potentially does depending on who you can get to go traipsing around in bear country with you. You'll need to buy a small .22 caliber pistol that is easy wear concealed in a manner that allows easy access. You don't want *anyone* to know that you have it. Then you *only* go into bear country when you can implement the "buddy system". Go with a buddy. And if a bear comes charging out of the brush... pull out your .22, shoot your buddy in the leg, and run like Hell. That's the only way a pistol is going to save you, so why carry around anything as heavy as a .44? -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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![]() "SteveM8597" wrote in message ... I have carried a firearm a time or two while backpacking in grizzly country but not in state and national parks where they are illegal. Yes, the bears and wild two-legged animals will no doubt respect the law as you do. |
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