General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

No, Art, you shouldn't be ashamed for your service. You are
justifiably proud. But, you should be at least a bit sheepish for
continually repeating an assertion that has no merit.

Bush clearly -did not- complete his service satisfactorily.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor..._Deserter.html

A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY

Dear Buzz,

Attached is the formal complaint that I made with the Department of
Defense concerning George W. Bush's desertion during the Vietnam war.

Maybe you could post the complaint and encourage others to submit formal
complaints as well. Tell people to call their congresspeople and request as a
constituent service that they write a cover letter and deliver it. It was
amazingly easy for me.

A BuzzFlash Reader

* * *

Desertion

Department of Defense
The Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20301-1900


To whom it may concern:

Recently, I was made aware of allegations concerning several violations of the
Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) by George W. Bush during the Vietnam
War. The alleged acts include being Absent Without Leave (UCMJ Article 86) for
a period of more than a year from his National Guard assignments in Texas and
Alabama. According to the UCMJ, a person who is AWOL for more than 30 days with
evidence of no intent to return to duty is guilty of Desertion. (UCMJ Article
85)

To understand the gravity of this offense, one need only read the section 4.9.5
e. of Article 85, which states that the maximum punishment for desertion in a
time of war (3), is, "Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may
direct". As far as I am aware, George W. Bush has never received any punishment
for these alleged crimes, nor has he ever been charged.

When I read about these allegations in national media outlets including, but
not limited to; The Boston Globe(1), The Washington Post(2), The Birmingham
News(3), and The Dallas Morning News(4), I decided to call the Department of
Defense to find out what the Statute of Limitations was for these crimes. I was
informed that because of the nature of the crimes; deserting one's country
during a time of war, that there is NO statute of limitations, and these
crimes, if proven, can still be prosecuted today.

The purpose of this correspondence is to make a formal written complaint with
circumstantial and documentary evidence of George W. Bush's violations of the
UCMJ. Since he is the Commander in Chief of our armed forces, the details of
his past service or lack thereof, are of particular interest to the American
people.

DETAILS:

From May to November 1972, George W. Bush was living in Alabama working on the
US senate campaign of Winton Blount and was required to attend drills with the
Air National Guard unit in Montgomery, Alabama. There is no record that he
attended any drills whatsoever. Additionally, General William Turnipseed (r)
who was commander of the unit at that time has stated in interviews that he
never saw Bush report for duty.

On September 5, 1972, Bush had requested permission to perform duty for
September, October, and November at the 187th Tactical Recon Group in
Montgomery. Permission was granted, and Bush was ordered to report to General
William Turnipseed. In interviews, Turnipseed, and his administrative officer
at the time, Kenneth K. Lott, have stated that they had no memory of Bush ever
reporting.

Seven months later, at Ellington Air Force Base in Texas, Bush's two superior
officers were unable to complete his annual evaluation covering the year from
May 1, 1972 to April 30, 1973 because, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this
unit during the period of this report." Both superior officers, who are now
dead, and also Ellington's top personnel officer at the time, mistakenly
concluded that Bush served his final year of service in Alabama. Bush returned
to live in Texas after the senatorial election in November, 1972, so this is
obviously not true.

According to the records available from the National Guard, the period between
May 1972 and May 1973 remains unaccounted for. George W. Bush himself has
refused to answer questions about this period in his life, other than to state
that he fulfilled all of his National Guard commitments. If this were true, why
is there no record of him fulfilling these commitments at either of his posts
in Texas or Alabama? Why is there not one commanding officer that can come
forward and state unequivocally that Bush reported for duty?

If the allegations are true that Bush deserted his country during a time of
war, this is one of the gravest offenses one can commit against their country,
short of treason. This is why there is no Statute of Limitations concerning
these crimes. My father served proudly as a field surgeon in Vietnam, and it
distresses me greatly that a person could use his family's influence and power
to not only avoid the draft for service, but then to not fulfill the duties
that he was assigned in substitute for serving in Vietnam.

These crimes are not to be taken lightly, and I believe that all men and women
who serve America proudly would be shocked that a soldier was allowed to abuse
the system in the way that George W. Bush allegedly has. These charges warrant
investigation, and until a satisfactory record of Bush's service is produced, I
can only assume that Bush did indeed desert his country in a time of war.

I implore you to investigate these charges. In this time of war and talk of
preemptive strikes against other countries, it would serve the American people
greatly to know that our Commander in Chief did not run away from duty during
Vietnam. If this man is to send other's husbands, wives, and children to die in
a foreign land, we must make sure that he fulfilled his obligations and
commitments to America before he demands that others do the same.

Sincerely,

A BuzzFlash Reader

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

Bush clearly -did not- complete his service satisfactorily.


Well, since available documents and at least one witness statement show he
did complete his service, you're clearly a liar or just plain stupid.

On 04 Jun 2004 16:48:14 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 6/4/04 8:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 04 Jun 2004 14:02:04 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:


What military service?
.
Arthur Kramer

Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission
in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to
operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly
it for four and a half years.

Did you serve that long?

Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of 50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.

I cannot *wait* until your rotten horse**** no longer appears in
this group, Kramer. Do you understand? I long for the day when
you're gone.

No bull****.


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Billy Beck
Date: 6/4/04 11:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


On 04 Jun 2004 16:48:14 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 6/4/04 8:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 04 Jun 2004 14:02:04 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:


What military service?
.
Arthur Kramer

Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission
in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to
operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly
it for four and a half years.

Did you serve that long?

Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of
50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.

I cannot *wait* until your rotten horse**** no longer appears in
this group, Kramer. Do you understand? I long for the day when
you're gone.

No bull****.

I'm very old. You won't have long to wait. Take joy in that fact.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 04 Jun 2004 19:07:44 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

From: Billy Beck

On 04 Jun 2004 16:48:14 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

From: Ed Rasimus

What military service?

Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission
in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to
operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly
it for four and a half years.

Did you serve that long?

Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record of
50 missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in
Texas while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.

I cannot *wait* until your rotten horse**** no longer appears in
this group, Kramer. Do you understand? I long for the day when
you're gone.

No bull****.

I'm very old. You won't have long to wait. Take joy in that fact.

No, I won't, and certainly not on *your* word. And it doesn't
have to come to that. It would suit my purposes if you only came to
your senses, but I know better than to wait for that. At this point,
I'd be satisfied to know that you'd taken up potting geraniums and
didn't have time for what you do around here.

Let me tell you something: your suvival of your ordeal was once a
big fat credit in my books, but you've long since traded that account
to a flat zero. You did it with your utterly ridiculous
pronouncements, *explicitly trading* on the credit of your experience,
as if that entitled you to strut what you think are you politics here.
The whole while -- and most amply illustrated in the latest round with
Ed -- you've been pleased to deliberately ignore *facts*, and, whether
you know it or not, that is the very essence of depravity.

It's been said that "Man is the only creature that can sink below
its nature."

You're living proof, right here in this newsgroup.

Nothing about it is "joy[ful]" to me, but I hold higher values
than that.


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

I'm very old. You won't have long to wait. Take joy in that fact.



Hell, Art.

You're too mean to die. ;-)

Walt

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ed Rasimus
confessed the following:

Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission
in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to
operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly
it for four and a half years.

Minor point of order...gwb graduated from UPT in Nov 1969 (IIRC),
qualified in the 102 in July 1970 and his last flight in a single
engine/single seat fighter was April 1972. He never flew the F-102
again.

My poor math skills indicate that he was operational for less than two
years, of course your math may come up with a different answer.
Perhaps he got bored with it.

Robey

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Robey Price
Date: 6/4/04 12:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ed Rasimus
confessed the following:

Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission
in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to
operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly
it for four and a half years.

Minor point of order...gwb graduated from UPT in Nov 1969 (IIRC),
qualified in the 102 in July 1970 and his last flight in a single
engine/single seat fighter was April 1972. He never flew the F-102
again.

My poor math skills indicate that he was operational for less than two
years, of course your math may come up with a different answer.
Perhaps he got bored with it.

Robey



Time in service isn't an indicition of much of anything. I know guys who spent
20 years in and spent it all behind a desk in Ohio. A guy with 10 minutes on
Omaha Beach outranks him no matter what the rank. It's not the time it's the
action.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 04 Jun 2004 19:22:57 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Time in service isn't an indicition of much of anything. I know guys who spent
20 years in and spent it all behind a desk in Ohio. A guy with 10 minutes on
Omaha Beach outranks him no matter what the rank. It's not the time it's the
action.


Arthur Kramer

And you don't owe your combat survival to literally hundreds of folks
who weren't in combat but who worked hard to qualify and support your
effort?

If time is the criteria (stand by for cheap shot...), how much time to
you have as pilot-in-command? As a rated AF pilot? As pilot of a
Century Series jet? Solo?

C'mon, Art, we know you don't like Bush. That's fine and perfectly
acceptable. But, don't manipulate facts in the hope that somehow you
will prove that he is less of a man than you.

And, you really don't want to start on Kerry and his Winter Soldier
activities, do you?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

In article ,
Ed Rasimus wrote:

And you don't owe your combat survival to literally hundreds of folks
who weren't in combat but who worked hard to qualify and support your
effort?

You know, like the guys who flew around in less-than-wonderful aircraft
protecting the States while the rest of them were dropping bombs
somewhere.

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