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ubject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: (WalterM140) Date: 6/5/04 5:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: I'm very old. You won't have long to wait. Take joy in that fact. Hell, Art. You're too mean to die. ;-) Walt Aw shucks Walt, that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. (shy grin) Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ed Rasimus
confessed the following: Art, you of all people should respect someone who earned a commission in the USAF and completed AF pilot training, then went on to operationally qualify in a single-seat/single-engine fighter and fly it for four and a half years. Minor point of order...gwb graduated from UPT in Nov 1969 (IIRC), qualified in the 102 in July 1970 and his last flight in a single engine/single seat fighter was April 1972. He never flew the F-102 again. My poor math skills indicate that he was operational for less than two years, of course your math may come up with a different answer. Perhaps he got bored with it. Robey |
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In article ,
Ed Rasimus wrote: And you don't owe your combat survival to literally hundreds of folks who weren't in combat but who worked hard to qualify and support your effort? You know, like the guys who flew around in less-than-wonderful aircraft protecting the States while the rest of them were dropping bombs somewhere. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Ed Rasimus Date: 6/4/04 3:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: On 04 Jun 2004 19:22:57 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote: Time in service isn't an indicition of much of anything. I know guys who spent 20 years in and spent it all behind a desk in Ohio. A guy with 10 minutes on Omaha Beach outranks him no matter what the rank. It's not the time it's the action. Arthur Kramer And you don't owe your combat survival to literally hundreds of folks who weren't in combat but who worked hard to qualify and support your effort? If time is the criteria (stand by for cheap shot...), how much time to you have as pilot-in-command? As a rated AF pilot? As pilot of a Century Series jet? Solo? Don't let this pioot stuff go to your head. The entire purpose of a bombing mission in WW II was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. The pilot was just the driver. And when it came to flying good bomb runs some pilots weren't worth a ****. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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![]() "ArtKramr" wrote If time is the criteria (stand by for cheap shot...), how much time to you have as pilot-in-command? As a rated AF pilot? As pilot of a Century Series jet? Solo? Don't let this pioot stuff go to your head. The entire purpose of a bombing mission in WW II was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. The pilot was just the driver. And when it came to flying good bomb runs some pilots weren't worth a ****. And today, the pilot, navigator, bombardier and gunner may well be the same guy. Pete |
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Pete" Date: 6/4/04 6:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote If time is the criteria (stand by for cheap shot...), how much time to you have as pilot-in-command? As a rated AF pilot? As pilot of a Century Series jet? Solo? Don't let this pioot stuff go to your head. The entire purpose of a bombing mission in WW II was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. The pilot was just the driver. And when it came to flying good bomb runs some pilots weren't worth a ****. And today, the pilot, navigator, bombardier and gunner may well be the same guy. Pete I was born too soon. But I wouldn't have missed it for anything. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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![]() "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Don't let this pioot stuff go to your head. The entire purpose of a bombing mission in WW II was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. The pilot was just the driver. And when it came to flying good bomb runs some pilots weren't worth a ****. No, the purpose of a bombing mission in World War II was to put bombs on a target. Many successful bombing missions were flown by aircraft without a bombardier aboard at all. Many were flown by aircraft with only a pilot aboard. |
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