General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Obviously not, because Bush wsa clearly in an unauthorized status,
and he was not held accountable.


If Bush had not done his duty he'd have paid a price, that much is certain.
Since he paid no penalty it's obvious he did his duty.



It was the '70's, the military was very unpopular, and Bush's daddy
was around to make sure no actions were taken.


Kinda like Gore and his daddy.



And Bush was in the National Guard, which is -not- the same as the
Air Force.


Nope. It's not the same as the Army or Navy either. But they're all
military service.



That's a false statement. Kerry did serve his full tour.


Negative. Kerry served a bit more than four months of a one year tour.



Not with his father covering his ass.


His father wouldn't even if he could.



Bill Clinton is not running for office.


It was the Kerry campaign that chose to make Vietnam an issue. That being
the case, Bill Clinton's behavior during the Vietnam war and Kerry's
statements during the 1992 campaign regarding Clinton's status are fair
game.



This time around a decorated Viet Nam veteran is running against a putz
who
didn't even go to OCS.


A decorated veteran who sought three Purple Hearts under questionable
circumstances and used them to get out of Vietnam well short of a full tour.

In article ,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an
American as a guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him.

Except, of course, he did, by the records, despite the frantic efforts
of some to pretend otherwise.

Meanwhile, he's been in a job for the last three years which has a
*very* high mortality rate, after serving in a plane in the National
Guard which had a mortality rate *in training* about equal to combat
flying.

Since you're claiming that this guy isn't brave, and that he didn't do
his duty, you're nowhere near as good an American as you thought.

Sorry, but you brought it up.

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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Chad Irby
Date: 6/4/04 11:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Since you're claiming that this guy isn't brave, and that he didn't do
his duty, you're nowhere near as good an American as you thought.

Sorry, but you brought it up.

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Yeah. Thats what I said.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

In article ,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Chad Irby
Date: 6/4/04 11:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Since you're claiming that this guy isn't brave, and that he didn't do
his duty, you're nowhere near as good an American as you thought.

Sorry, but you brought it up.

Yeah. Thats what I said.

....except that your previous attempts at sarcasm failed, because you
were wrong about the particulars.

You pretty much just threw away your entire WWII record, all in a failed
try at making someone else with a not-as-good record look bad.

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Since you're claiming that this guy isn't brave, and that he didn't do
his duty, you're nowhere near as good an American as you thought.

Sorry, but you brought it up.

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Yeah. Thats what I said.

These guys know they have no leg to stand on, Art. So they attack you.

Bush did not satisfactorily complete his term of service.

You did, and thanks again.


Walt

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Bush did not satisfactorily complete his term of service.


Prove it.

Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an
American as a guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him.

Except, of course, he did, by the records, despite the frantic efforts
of some to pretend otherwise.

Can you show us anywhere to look for confirmation of that?

Meanwhile, he's been in a job for the last three years which has a
*very* high mortality rate, after serving in a plane in the National
Guard which had a mortality rate *in training* about equal to combat
flying.

He skipped a physical that took him off flying status. He did not
satisfactorily complete his term of service, and I don't think even the RNC is
saying he did. Can you confirm?


Walt

In article ,
(WalterM140) wrote:

Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an
American as a guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him.

Except, of course, he did, by the records, despite the frantic efforts
of some to pretend otherwise.

Can you show us anywhere to look for confirmation of that?

The lack of criminal prosecution, for one.

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"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Can you show us anywhere to look for confirmation of that?


Try Google.



He skipped a physical that took him off flying status.


He was then in a unit equipped with an aircraft that he wasn't qualified in.
He wasn't going to fly anyway so there was no need for the physical.



He did not
satisfactorily complete his term of service, and I don't think even the
RNC is
saying he did. Can you confirm?


Bush presented documentation and a member of that unit issued a statement
confirming Bush's service several months ago.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/4/04 10:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes


Yeah you are right. I am ashamed of myself with my measly combat record
of
50
missions over Germany being no match for the no-show Bush who hid in
Texas
while the Nam war war raged. Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Is your own record the benchmark? If so the vast majority, including Al
Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, etc. would not qualify.

President Bush fulfilled his duty. He is currently serving in one of the
most dangerous jobs around. Your mudslinging doesn't change that.

Jarg









Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/4/04 10:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes



Once more, mea culpa mea culpa. I guess I am just not as good an American
as a
guy who fialed to show up when it was required of him. I thought you got
20
years at hard labor forthat sort of stuff. One more point. Kerry went to
war.
Bush hid in Texas.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Your willingness to apologize is a good start, now let's see if we can get
you focused on doing so for the right reasons.

Please cite a reputable source showing President Bush "hid" in Texas and
that he did not fulfil his service requirements. I can cite plenty that
detail his service and convincingly counter the lies of his politically
motivated oppoents (like yourself).

Jarg

p.s I don't think anyone is questioning your service which makes me wonder
why you are compelled to repeatedly remind us of it. I hope you don't think
it will somehow counterbalance your sloppy thinking!