US Competition Pilot Poll and Election

Its been almost a week.

Again...
WHAT MEASURED VALUE JUSTIFIES THE CONTINUED MAINTAINCE OF OUR (UNIQUE, ISOLATIONIST) US SOARING COMPETITION RULES?

There should be tons, because the US rules are "so great" and the FAI rules are "evil," right?

Please list them here for me ...

Nothing? Nobody has an answer for me? Nobody can produce measured data to support and justify the continuation of the US rules CIRCUS?

This is simple manangement 101 folks. If there is no value in the spend, dont spend. So, why are we wasting all this time and effort on US rules when they provide us with NO MEASURABLE VALUE?

I'll ask again.

I ask those of you supporting the continuation of the US rules (circus) to answer my SIMPLE QUESTION.

Here it is ---

***What MEASURED VALUE justifies the continued maintenance of our (unique, isolationist, ineffective) US competition rules?***

Hint: This is not a trick question. This is a very simple. If you support the US rules (circus), then you should have TONS of MEASURED VALUE points to CLEARLY JUSTIFY why all the work, volunteer time, aggravation and argueing that has been the mainstay of the US rules commitee over the years has been worth it. And why it will continue to be worth it. What is the goal of US rules? Why do we do this? What is the expectation for improvement? Why are we continueing to do this, year after year after year? In my opinion, this is one of the most ridiculous things that I have ever seen in sports (and that is saying much).

Again, I'll try to help you get started here.. Valueable supporting data points justifying US rules vs FAI rules in the USA such as:

1) Higher contest numbers (people flocking to fly these great US contest and the GREAT TASKS!). NOPE.

2) The International community noticing. NOPE.

Better safety statistics. Less accidents. NOPE.

Less landouts. NOPE.

Better International Competition results? Since our rules are better, we should be flying more, learning mre and going faster. Should we not? NOPE.

Etc, Etc. NOPE. NOPE.

Why are we spending the time to carry forward rules which offer us NO VALUE?

I look forward to hearing (and debating) the supporting data that you provide us.

Sean
7T

I for one like the long MAT. Similar to an assigned task and when well set up it gives a chance for high performance and lower performance ships to compete on a reasonable basis and allows for a reasonable result for everyone to make it home. The IGC rules do not allow that kind of task

David Martin
ASG29E BV

I am with David Martin to a certain extent. Personally, I don't like the MAT tasks very much as a measure of flying skills, but they can be interesting to fly. Here's an example: On Day 2 during this year's Region 8 contest the CD shortened the Sports class MAT time from 3 to 2 hours, which in the hindsight turned out to be a mistake. After the weather improved, I decided to extend my flight and go east to check out the weather conditions there. The main reason for doing that was that I didn't want to waste half of a very interesting day sitting on the ground (or orbiting around the start gate collecting bugs). Eventually, my task time was 4:13 (more than double the minimum) and I had a very interesting and enjoyable flight. BTW, I won that day.

Being a polite peacekeeping Canadian, I would like to suggest a middle way. I would propose that SSA adopts the FAI rules and simply extends them with the inclusion of a MAT task, maybe only for the regional contests. That should satisfy both Sean and the pilots and CDs who like the flexibility of the MAT tasks.

Branko Stojkovic
Russia AC-5M XYU

To Andrez above, what a great point!

Why can't a simple question be included???

And these leaders wonder why soaring is a DIEING SPORT!!

Next year it will come down to one rule...

.....Rule #1 - NOBODY HAS ANY FUN.


In a few years, your gliders will be a much lower value. Why? If racing dwindles down to nothing, why does anyone want a racing glider??????

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:47:15 AM UTC+2, wrote:
To Andrez above, what a great point!

Why can't a simple question be included???

And these leaders wonder why soaring is a DIEING SPORT!!

Next year it will come down to one rule...

....Rule #1 - NOBODY HAS ANY FUN.


In a few years, your gliders will be a much lower value. Why? If racing dwindles down to nothing, why does anyone want a racing glider??????

Lets see the side by side comparison and lets have a vote!
Mark

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:47:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
To Andrez above, what a great point!

Why can't a simple question be included???

And these leaders wonder why soaring is a DIEING SPORT!!

Next year it will come down to one rule...

....Rule #1 - NOBODY HAS ANY FUN.


In a few years, your gliders will be a much lower value. Why? If racing dwindles down to nothing, why does anyone want a racing glider??????

Wilbur,
Do I know you? Have you been racing at all? Why do you hide behind that name? Is your real name Sean? I for one still enjoy glider races, we do them at our club every weekend. You should have learned from the present election mud fight that negativity gets you exactly nowhere.
Herb Kilian, J7

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 6:43:17 AM UTC-7, wrote:

Wilbur,
Do I know you? Have you been racing at all? Why do you hide behind that name? Is your real name Sean? I for one still enjoy glider races, we do them at our club every weekend. You should have learned from the present election mud fight that negativity gets you exactly nowhere.
Herb Kilian, J7

is an email address of John Miller, who, among other duties, serves as a PR agent for a very excellent glider racer...many people say he is probably the best racer in the history of soaring, ever, believe me.

You can read more about Wilbur/John he

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6e0_story.html

;-)

9B

This is huge Andy, thanks for the information.

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 12:29:26 PM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote:
You can read more about Wilbur/John he

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6e0_story.html

;-)

9B

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 2:46:23 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
This is huge Andy, thanks for the information.

No, Jonathan. That would be "Yuuge".

:-)

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 2:29:26 PM UTC-5, Andy Blackburn wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 6:43:17 AM UTC-7, wrote:

Wilbur,
Do I know you? Have you been racing at all? Why do you hide behind that name? Is your real name Sean? I for one still enjoy glider races, we do them at our club every weekend. You should have learned from the present election mud fight that negativity gets you exactly nowhere.
Herb Kilian, J7

is an email address of John Miller, who, among other duties, serves as a PR agent for a very excellent glider racer...many people say he is probably the best racer in the history of soaring, ever, believe me.

You can read more about Wilbur/John he

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6e0_story.html

;-)

9B

You nailed it, Andy, thanks for good laugh. To Wilbur, keep up the good work of promoting your causes - love what you did 114 years ago for aviation with your bro!