Could the Press Grow a Spine?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...

How can the Constitution remain intact if it is regularly violated?

The same way that lesser laws remain intact though they are routinely
violated.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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The same way that lesser laws remain intact though they are routinely
violated.


What lesser laws?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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The same way that lesser laws remain intact though they are routinely
violated.


What lesser laws?

State and Federal criminal laws, among others.

It wasn't a trick question, I'm not clear on what you didn't
understand.

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Subject: Could the Press Grow a Spine?
From: (Fred the Red Shirt)
Date: 7/5/2004 10:57 PM Pacifi

George W Bush and his administration have proposed, in flagrant
violation of the Constitution, to create ad hoc courts for the
purpose of trying non-citizens outside of the borders of the
United States. It seems unlikely that the administartion has
sufficient time remaining to it to carry out that plan so the
issue most likely will never come befor the USSC.

And the Constitution will remain intact.


That was settled in 1865 in Milligan v, U.S. Chief Justice Taney writing for
the majority Guantanamo was used to go around this decision and avoid the law.
Bush thinks he is the law because god told him so. A very dangerous man.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

So we had to wade through all of that for that little gem, Comrade Art? Do
a little reading, sport. Start with any report on Waco if you want to talk
about civil liberties under administration n vs. n-1.

Steve Swartz



"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Could the Press Grow a Spine?
From: "Leslie Swartz"
Date: 6/23/2004 11:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Walt:

Be proud of yourself when the second american reolution (back to the
constitution) happens. You played your part in getting Atlas to Shrug.

Steve Swartz



"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Well I watched "Hardball" last night with Campbell Brown.

She had Bartlett, one of the Bushies on. She asked him a question. He
talked
for a while and she said something like, "you are very articulate, but
that
avoids the question completely." I wish more of the Press would point
out
that
the vast majority of the questions asked are just totally avoided on
both
sides.

She also showed two clips back to back of VP Cheney caught in a big lie
about
Atta's supposed meeting with Iraqi intelligence in Prague. In the one
clip,
Cheney said it was "confirmed" that Atta met with Iraqi intelligence.
About a
year later he said he never said that.

Running the clips back to back showed that he just lied. Bartlett
hemmed
and
hawed about that and said the question was still open, but Cheney's
words
definitively said it was NOT open -- it was CONFIRMED (in case anyone
missed it
the first time) that Atta met with Iraqi intelligence.

These ******* Republicans have got to go.

Walt



The constitution was intact until Bush was elected.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: "Leslie Swartz"


So we had to wade through all of that for that little gem, Comrade Art? Do
a little reading, sport. Start with any report on Waco if you want to talk
about civil liberties under administration n vs. n-1.

Steve Swartz

OK, steve, I see you calling names and such. Do you have anything constructive
to offer?

What have YOU done for your country?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

1) I am most certainly not calling names (Comrade Art is an appropriate
appellation for him; as a Leninite, he should not be ashamed to be what he
is)

2) As far as "and such" if you let me know exactly what "and such" is, I'll
respond

3) The value of my argument should stand alone; oh sorry, I forgot- the
value of a position in this forum is based entirely on pedigree. O.k., I
enlisted in 1978 and am just now cashing it in. I have been in the
newsgroup since 1990 and you could google me up quickly enough.

4) My constructive comment had to do with Art's content-free reply. Are
you attempting to now counter-argue that I was unfair- do you want to claim
that Comrade Art's one liner about "Bush destroyintg the Constitution"
actually had some value?

If so, have at it. If not, why waste the bandwidth.

Steve Swartz

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Leslie Swartz"


So we had to wade through all of that for that little gem, Comrade Art?
Do
a little reading, sport. Start with any report on Waco if you want to
talk
about civil liberties under administration n vs. n-1.

Steve Swartz

OK, steve, I see you calling names and such. Do you have anything
constructive
to offer?

What have YOU done for your country?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: "Leslie Swartz"


1) I am most certainly not calling names (Comrade Art is an appropriate
appellation for him; as a Leninite, he should not be ashamed to be what he
is)

If you don't see that as name calling then I won't press the point.

2) As far as "and such" if you let me know exactly what "and such" is, I'll
respond

The "and such" consists of constantly knocking others like Art because you
disagree with them. It IS possible to hold a debate without being abrasive.

3) The value of my argument should stand alone; oh sorry, I forgot- the
value of a position in this forum is based entirely on pedigree. O.k., I
enlisted in 1978 and am just now cashing it in. I have been in the
newsgroup since 1990 and you could google me up quickly enough.

Your "argument" does stand alone in that it is non constructive and abusive.
The only reason I asked what you have done for your country is because you
offer no solutions. I never said you had to be in the military, there are other
ways to serve.


4) My constructive comment had to do with Art's content-free reply. Are
you attempting to now counter-argue that I was unfair- do you want to claim
that Comrade Art's one liner about "Bush destroyintg the Constitution"
actually had some value?

That wasn't constructive. If you think Art is wrong about that then try to
engage in dialogue. Telling someone they are wrong at the onset of a discussion
along with name calling closes the door. Art and I disagree politically on many
things, but I have never resorted to insults with him.

If so, have at it. If not, why waste the bandwidth.

A little respect goes a long way.

Have a nice day.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired.

Steve Swartz

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Leslie Swartz"


So we had to wade through all of that for that little gem, Comrade Art?
Do
a little reading, sport. Start with any report on Waco if you want to
talk
about civil liberties under administration n vs. n-1.

Steve Swartz

OK, steve, I see you calling names and such. Do you have anything
constructive
to offer?

What have YOU done for your country?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired