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Old July 16th 04, 11:34 PM
Jack
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Sam Byrams wrote:


Okay, just supposing I hit the Powerball and do what any red-blooded
American would, i.e. kiss up to Chuckie and cut him a three million
dollar check. What do I have to do to get checked out in this beast?
Can the average guy with the FAA required minimums, some decent
aerobatic experience (not competition) and a willingness to pay
attention handle this airplane?


If you've got the attitude you can get the altitude. Thousands have. But
remember not to exceed 50,000' without a pressure suit. Thousands have.

Ooops, I wasn't supposed to say that.


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Old July 17th 04, 07:01 AM
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Regnirps wrote:

Did you ever see anyone come back with a glove caught in the canopy?


Nope.

Especially not from 50,000'. ;

4 PSI isn't much, but it's all you've got.



Jack
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Old July 17th 04, 01:30 AM
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In article , Sam
Byrams wrote:

Okay, just supposing I hit the Powerball and do what any red-blooded
American would,i.e. kiss up to Chuckie and cut him a three million
dollar check. What do I have to do to get checked out in this beast?
Can the average guy with the FAA required minimums,some decent
aerobatic experience (not competition) and a willingness to pay
attention handle this airplane?


You can take lessons in an L-39. It will cost some bucks, but
you don't have to hit the powerball to do it.

-john-

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Old July 17th 04, 02:29 AM
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Okay, just supposing I hit the Powerball and do what any red-blooded
American would,i.e. kiss up to Chuckie and cut him a three million
dollar check.


I'm not sure who Chuckie is, but there are a few civilian owned T-38s. I'm not
sure how much you would have to throw down to pry it away from the current
owners though? Additionaly, you better hit the lottery for much more than the
cost of the Talon because its going to cost quite a bit to fly and maintain it.

What do I have to do to get checked out in this beast?


To fly it VFR all you need is a multi-engine (centerline thrust) rating....I
think?

Can the average guy with the FAA required minimums,some decent
aerobatic experience (not competition) and a willingness to pay
attention handle this airplane?


I'd get lessons from Ed or some other former IP. While I found the aircraft
easy to fly, it could kill you if you don't have "UPT quality" training,
particularly in the landing phase.


BUFDRVR

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everyone on Bear Creek"
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Old July 17th 04, 02:37 AM
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Lately the Feds are really frowning on the T-38.......dunno why, as they are
not bothering the Mig-21 crowd too much. Something to do with ex-US military
possibly.
VL
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Old July 19th 04, 02:04 PM
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(BUFDRVR) wrote:
I'm not sure who Chuckie is, but there are a few civilian owned T-38s.


Chuck Thornton owned one that was assembled from three wrecked
T-38 airframes purchased surplus. He allegedly really torqued some
people off over that since he had tried to buy one several times and
been rebuffed. It was painted like an Agressor from Nellis, in a
blue/white/gray scheme that would be hard to spot in the air.

The gossip is that MiG 17s are more of a fun flyer, with fewer
maintenance hours per flight hour, and an easy engine to deal with. I
think spins in the MiG 17 are unrecoverable, though.


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Old July 19th 04, 05:01 PM
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:04:34 GMT,
(John S. Shinal) wrote:

(BUFDRVR) wrote:
I'm not sure who Chuckie is, but there are a few civilian owned T-38s.


Chuck Thornton owned one that was assembled from three wrecked
T-38 airframes purchased surplus. He allegedly really torqued some
people off over that since he had tried to buy one several times and
been rebuffed. It was painted like an Agressor from Nellis, in a
blue/white/gray scheme that would be hard to spot in the air.


Hard to imagine enough salvageable from three wrecks to put together a
flyable T-38. The magnesium under body and the honeycomb wing
structure would be hard to repair. The seats and the engines would be
the hardest parts to get.

As for the paint job, if his is the one that's been seen on several TV
commercials, it's done in gloss while the Aggressor T-38s were all
flat. The Nellis T-38 Aggressors came in all colors including the
basic white as well as blues, grays, browns and "lizard."

We got them all at Holloman while I was there. Over the NM desert, the
most effective was the brown.

In '83 we got the entire AT-38 fleet painted in a standard
blue-blue-gray gloss camo. That's still what is used by the 435th
doing the fighter lead-in portion of the SUPT syllabus.

The gossip is that MiG 17s are more of a fun flyer, with fewer
maintenance hours per flight hour, and an easy engine to deal with. I
think spins in the MiG 17 are unrecoverable, though.


Dunno. Never got a -17 flight, but it would be hard to pack more
performance into a little airplane than a T-38. Spins in a T-38 are
unrecoverable as well, but also virtually unattainable. The airplane
will spin, but it is a decidedly unnatural act and AFAIK only been
accomplished in very abusive flight testing at Edwards.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8
 




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