US Troops using AK-47s

"M. J. Powell" wrote:

In message , Nele VII
writes

snip


The friend of mine, former US Army-I don't know which branch, the one that
is jumping from Hercules with oxygen bottles and parafoil-back in the 80's
he was in Afghanistan equipping Mujahedins with donkey-mounted howitzers
(yeah, I know what you are thinking. I didn't believe it either until I've
seen the pictures of such all-terain self-propelled howitzers and had a good
belly laugh).

Google for 'screw-guns' and 'British Army in India' preWW I

Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin' cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets --
'Tss! 'Tss!

For you all love the screw-guns -- the screw-guns they all love
you,....
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"M. J. Powell" wrote in message
...
In message , Nele VII
writes

snip


The friend of mine, former US Army-I don't know which branch, the one
that
is jumping from Hercules with oxygen bottles and parafoil-back in the
80's
he was in Afghanistan equipping Mujahedins with donkey-mounted howitzers
(yeah, I know what you are thinking. I didn't believe it either until
I've
seen the pictures of such all-terain self-propelled howitzers and had a
good
belly laugh).

Google for 'screw-guns' and 'British Army in India' preWW I

Mike

You dont need to go that far back, pack howitzers were issued
to US and British forces in WW2 and hauled by mules

http://community-2.webtv.net/msn.com...601stFABnPack/

Keith

Keith Willshaw wrote:

"M. J. Powell" wrote in message
...
In message , Nele VII
writes

snip


The friend of mine, former US Army-I don't know which branch, the one
that
is jumping from Hercules with oxygen bottles and parafoil-back in the
80's
he was in Afghanistan equipping Mujahedins with donkey-mounted howitzers
(yeah, I know what you are thinking. I didn't believe it either until
I've
seen the pictures of such all-terain self-propelled howitzers and had a
good
belly laugh).

Google for 'screw-guns' and 'British Army in India' preWW I

Mike

You dont need to go that far back, pack howitzers were issued
to US and British forces in WW2 and hauled by mules

http://community-2.webtv.net/msn.com...601stFABnPack/

First Airborne Battery, RCA, was training for jungle ops in the 1970
with their L5s broken down and hauled by 13 mules each.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Nele VII wrote:
....
Or, if you want to believe in conspiracy theories, nobody is counting your
rounds nor the AK can be traced back to you if you whack someone by
accident... or purpose.
....

My ops sergeant once told me that in Vietnam his platoon
sergeant had kept an AK-47 for the express purpose of
shooting any of his own people who fell asleep while on
watch. Or at least he threatened to. Whether he actually
did was not clear.

"Nele VII" wrote in message ...
UHHH... Robert, BUFFDRVR, everyone...

Firstly, this is a interesting subject, but should be noted off-topic. I
might be lengthy, but I hope that is worth of reading. This is a view of a
first-time AK user

.... which qualifies you as what exactly?


plus some comments and observations.

.... which is what most of your post is.




M-16 vs AK-47 (and subversions)... you mean "subvariants?"

We are talking M4 vs AK-47, so your broad generalization right off the
top tells us how unfamiliar you are with small arms.


- snipped irrelevent basic info


As for replacing M-16 with AK-47 in Iraq (or anywhere), Robert, you would
soon become a permanent resident in Ft. Leavenworth.

I already stated in the other thread that I never said they got rid of
or turned in their M4s for the AKs... just preferred using the
captured stock for very good fighting environment reasons plus
dissatisfication over the M4 performance in the theater.




If you try to make a
point, make it from user's view. If I were given an option to have the AK-47
beside "my" M-16, the answer is simple-I don't have to fiddle much about it,
I would keep my primary gun clean and tidy while I can treat an AK-47 as a
"whore".

You aren't a combat "user" in the field and even opened up your post
by saying you are a first-time AK user. What you are giving is your
opinion. In any case the "whore" in question is arguably the world's
best assault rifle and you can find it anywhere in the world.

You might note that Israelis have a sort of AK-47
copy (5.56mm Galil) but they are not grabbing AK-47s. Basically, it is a
legally-obtained ILLEGAL weapon.

The Galil uses the best operating systems and architecture from both
the AK-47 and Western 5.56mm assault rifles and it is not an AK
copy... it is a LEGALLY made IMI weapon.

And Stg 44 has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common with AK-47 but the basic layout
and that is gas-operated.

Go back and read the original thread, my 7/18 post that refutes that
with plenty of reference materials.

-snipped tons of irrelevent information.

Please note also that all of this pointless since the US troops in
Iraq have been grabbing AK-47s and using them for months. I wrote
about it, Dan disputed it and then the US Govt. issues a phoney press
statement about "permitting" US soldiers to use them. It is
embarassing for our image where everything US has got to be the best
and then have our own troops grabbing AKs for street fighting.

Rob

Nele

NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA

From: (robert arndt)


I already stated in the other thread that I never said they got rid of
or turned in their M4s for the AKs... just preferred using the
captured stock for very good fighting environment reasons plus
dissatisfication over the M4 performance in the theater.

You lie. I guess I shouldn't expect different from a child who has confessed in
this NG to felonies.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Another picture

www.regnirps.com/NYMM14.jpg

That's Not Your Mother's M14

Made the stand yesterday and it goes on the block Sunday. Gotta pay the bills.
It is an early Super Match with, ...sob... I can't go on :-(

-- Charlie Springer