Ventus 3F - Fatal

The LAK-17 is a flapped ship, so I doubt flaps had anything to do with
it.Â* Let's not blame the pilot prematurely.

On 7/15/2018 8:25 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 12:22:03 PM UTC+2, wrote:
Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final.
I meant to say "where a highy experienced pilot from the UK with a new glider had never flown an aircraft with flaps..."

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Dan, 5J

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 5:37:11 PM UTC+2, Dan Marotta wrote:
The LAK-17 is a flapped ship, so I doubt flaps had anything to do with
it.Â* Let's not blame the pilot prematurely.

Better yet, let's not put words in my mouth. You said that, not me. What I said is crystal clear: "Not saying this is the cause for this accident..."

Anybody check the tail weight? Remember the guy that told the factory to put in 4 pounds of tail weight and they put in 4 kilograms! I have had good relations with the Federollies over the years, but found it necessary to lead them in the right direction, a time or two. We had an accident where the spoilers stuck wide open and the ship crashed on final. Feds missed the cause completely and I filed the defect report that generated an AD.
Sad news,
JJ

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 4:22:03 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 9:45:06 PM UTC+2, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-
mexico/articles/2018-07-11/albuquerque-man-dies-in-glider-crash-
near-moriarty-airport

He was so excited about his new V3.

There's a hint. Not saying this is the cause for this accident, but it's sad to see how many people in the past have gotten into trouble for being too confident flying a new aircraft they haven't yet fully figured out. I know all of you who have been around aircraft for any significant amount of time know what I am talking about. Last time I saw this happen was in Mass., where a new pilot from the UK had never flown an aircraft with flaps and got them wrong on final. He ended up in a tree at the far end of the runway, thankfully with nothing but a bruised ego, but we never saw him again.

Was that guy flying a PIK-20B by any chance?

I honestly don't remember, this was some years ago. I left that club because I considered it to have the worst attitude towards safety I had ever seen.

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:03:51 AM UTC+2, wrote:

Was that guy flying a PIK-20B by any chance?

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 4:09:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
I honestly don't remember, this was some years ago. I left that club because I considered it to have the worst attitude towards safety I had ever seen.

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:03:51 AM UTC+2, wrote:

Was that guy flying a PIK-20B by any chance?

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...Final&IType=CA

I've heard different versions of this event that vary in significant details. What the accounts agree on are that the pilot didn't seek instruction from a flap qualified instructor.

I don't think the PIK accident is relevant in any way to Renny's accident. Condolences to all... I didn't know Renny, but we did correspond a few times, he clearly knew what he was about.

T8

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:37:06 PM UTC+2, Tango Eight wrote:
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 5:03:51 AM UTC+2, wrote:

Was that guy flying a PIK-20B by any chance?

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...Final&IType=CA

I've heard different versions of this event that vary in significant details. What the accounts agree on are that the pilot didn't seek instruction from a flap qualified instructor.

I don't think the PIK accident is relevant in any way to Renny's accident. Condolences to all... I didn't know Renny, but we did correspond a few times, he clearly knew what he was about.

T8

That was the accident alright. I was at the field when it happened. The pilot was from the UK, if I remember correctly. The club had plenty of instructors available, but no other flap-only glider, single or dual seat.

On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 12:45:06 PM UTC-7, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-
mexico/articles/2018-07-11/albuquerque-man-dies-in-glider-crash-
near-moriarty-airport

I'm shocked! I first met Renny around 1998 when I bought his Standard Cirrus. He was a salesman working for Shell oil I think. Definitely a salesman but definitely a gentleman. Very enthusiastic about soaring. I bought a DG-600 that he helped a widow sell also in about 2005. You guys in Moriarty know him the best and I'm sure all will miss him and remember him till you are all gone too.

RIP Renny thoughts and prayers to your family.
Russ

Again very sad news......

My condolences to all

AE

Hello. For any of you who were friends of Renny's, I'm gathering memories and photos for the family and would like to invite you to participate. Please send a message to me with the word "BoomBox" in the subject line and I'll invite you.

I'm guessing most of you are not local, but for anyone local who would like service information here it is:

Services have been scheduled for Monday, July 23rd as follows:

10:00 am
Mass
John XXIII Catholic Church
4831 Tramway Ridge Drive NE
Albuquerque, NM 87111
(Near Tramway and Montgomery)

11:00 am to 1:00 pm
Reception
French Funerals & Cremations
7121 Wyoming Blvd NE
Albuquerque, NM 87109
(Near Wyoming and San Antonio)

Internment will take place at Santa Fe National Cemetery that afternoon.

Please feel free to share this information with Renny's flying family.