A few newbie questions about the sport

4. Any tips on finding a school to begin lessons?

A very effective and efficient way to learn to fly is through the use of computer-based flight simulation software. Training can be done at home, on your schedule, at considerably less cost, in much less time, and there is no off-season. Unfortunately, very few glider clubs or commercial glider operations offer this mode of training.

That said, I do provide simulation-based training, at-a-distance (i.e., via the Internet), and I may be willing to take you and/or your daughter on as students. My services are free to those I elect to work with, and for reference purposes I can connect you to one or more of the 70 persons I have trained this way over the past 10 years.

Simulation-based flight training is not a complete course of instruction. After learning most (80-90%) of what you need to know in simulation, you would need to complete your training by applying your skills in an actual aircraft at a soaring club or commercial operation. However, showing up pre-trained will allow you to advance much more quickly through your aircraft-based training.

If interested, feel free to contact me via my website "gliderCFI.com" or call me at area code six zero eight, two two two, six eight four three.

Welcome to the sport.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration,

Scott Manley CFIG

At 16:05 18 September 2018, Scott Manley wrote:
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4. Any tips on finding a school to begin lessons?
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A very effective and efficient way to learn to fly is through the use of
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mputer-based flight simulation software. Training can be done at
home, on
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your schedule, at considerably less cost, in much less time, and there
is
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o off-season. Unfortunately, very few glider clubs or commercial glider
op=
erations offer this mode of training.

That said, I do provide simulation-based training, at-a-distance (i.e.,
via=
the Internet), and I may be willing to take you and/or your daughter
on
as=
students. My services are free to those I elect to work with, and for
ref=
erence purposes I can connect you to one or more of the 70 persons I
have
t=
rained this way over the past 10 years.

Simulation-based flight training is not a complete course of instruction.

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After learning most (80-90%) of what you need to know in simulation,
you
wo=
uld need to complete your training by applying your skills in an actual
air=
craft at a soaring club or commercial operation. However, showing up
pre-t=
rained will allow you to advance much more quickly through your
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sed training. =20

If interested, feel free to contact me via my website "gliderCFI.com" or
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ll me at area code six zero eight, two two two, six eight four three.

Welcome to the sport.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration,

Scott Manley CFIG


Do you have the evidence to prove this Scott, and if so how much of a
'time-saver' on real life flying does the computer based training make to

the average student?

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 11:30:08 AM UTC-7, Paul T wrote:
At 16:05 18 September 2018, Scott Manley wrote:
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4. Any tips on finding a school to begin lessons?
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A very effective and efficient way to learn to fly is through the use of
co=
mputer-based flight simulation software. Training can be done at
home, on
=
your schedule, at considerably less cost, in much less time, and there
is
n=
o off-season. Unfortunately, very few glider clubs or commercial glider
op=
erations offer this mode of training.

That said, I do provide simulation-based training, at-a-distance (i.e.,
via=
the Internet), and I may be willing to take you and/or your daughter
on
as=
students. My services are free to those I elect to work with, and for
ref=
erence purposes I can connect you to one or more of the 70 persons I
have
t=
rained this way over the past 10 years.

Simulation-based flight training is not a complete course of instruction..

=
After learning most (80-90%) of what you need to know in simulation,
you
wo=
uld need to complete your training by applying your skills in an actual
air=
craft at a soaring club or commercial operation. However, showing up
pre-t=
rained will allow you to advance much more quickly through your
aircraft-ba=
sed training. =20

If interested, feel free to contact me via my website "gliderCFI.com" or
ca=
ll me at area code six zero eight, two two two, six eight four three.

Welcome to the sport.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration,

Scott Manley CFIG


Do you have the evidence to prove this Scott, and if so how much of a
'time-saver' on real life flying does the computer based training make to

the average student?

While I have no hard facts, statistics nor research on this subject, in keeping with the long standing traditions of RAS, it is my experience that young people who are gamers and first time flying a glider do much better than those that do not have computer game experience. I have taken 14 year olds flying that could fly better than licensed power pilots. I also note that many of the young competitive pilots on the world competition scene say they fly Condor. I had a decade and a half break from gliding, bought Condor (is it not expensive) and flew it a bunch before I got in a glider to get current. On my first flight back to soaring I flew like I was current, as I had a bunch of Condor flights, and a ton of practiced emergencies, that I could quickly repeat. Other than my personal confidence which only comes from actual time in the saddle, I found Condor to be a great training/learning aid.

I recently had a friend over that has been out of gliding for years. We flew Condor and he went out and bought a copy after he tried using aileron to lift a wing as the (simulated) glider dropped a wing entering a spin. I would wholly recommend a student use both simulator and actual training. Caveats: I am not a CFIG, just a commercial pilot, I have no financial interest in Condor or any other business venture that would be profitable.

Do you have the evidence to prove this Scott, and if so how much of a
'time-saver' on real life flying does the computer based training make to

the average student?

Paul,

Call me at the phone number listed in the my reply to Newbie. I would be happy to share my thoughts on your question based on my experience over 10 years.

The airlines, military, and professional flight training organization (e.g., Flight Safety) have long established the economic and time-saving benefits of simulation-based flight training. I have no need to reprove the already proven.

My primary evidence of the effectiveness and efficiency of computer-based flight simulation is the testimony of the 70 folks I have worked with.

At 22:44 18 September 2018, Scott Manley wrote:



Do you have the evidence to prove this Scott, and if so how much of
a
'time-saver' on real life flying does the computer based training
make
to

the average student?

Paul,

Call me at the phone number listed in the my reply to Newbie. I would
be
happy to share my thoughts on your question based on my experience
over 10
years.

The airlines, military, and professional flight training organization
(e.g., Flight Safety) have long established the economic and time-
saving
benefits of simulation-based flight training. I have no need to reprove
the already proven.

My primary evidence of the effectiveness and efficiency of computer-
based
flight simulation is the testimony of the 70 folks I have worked with.



Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple

question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Paul,

I'll jump in here with my most recent experience with a new soaring pilot and simulation training:

Student: Never having flown glider but was rated in airplanes and was current.

Two hours "flying" Condor aerotows one evening.

The next day did four flights, The first one I gave him the controls at 1000 ft. and he flew the rest of the tow; i did the landing. The second flight he flew the whole flight from lift off to touch down. Ditto for the remaining two flights.

I have 400 hours teaching glider pilots and 5800 hours teaching airplane pilots.

I've never had a quicker building of skills in a new pilot. He's the first I use the Condor method. I will be using it from now on.

Mike Bamberg

PS. in the flight school where I accrued all those hours we would always use simulators whenever possible. The only disadvantage was the lack of "feel" which was easily gained once the student began flying in the plane.

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple

question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Skype it!

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-7, Paul T wrote:

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple
question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?


I'll take "sealioning" for a thousand, Alex!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:00:07 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple

question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Assuming you are British - do a search of BGA's excellent magazine; a few years ago there was an article about a student who basically soloed in 5 flights by using Condor to prepare.

I believe the French CNVV has developed a full-up Condor (w/cockpit and big screens) glider simulator for use by French glider clubs.

Our own gliding club (St Louis Soaring Association) in the US is in the process of building up a Condor sim with realistic flight controls and multiple big screens.

Any simulator is just a training tool (Condor is technically an Aircrew Training Device in the lingo of the flight simulation industry) and it's effectiveness is driven by how it is used. Since the cockpit of a glider is not the best classroom, used properly Condor can be a great help to the learning process. Learn it in the sim, practice it in the glider.

Kirk
(been using sims for training for almost 50 years now...yikes!)

Originally Posted by Paul T[_4_]

At 22:44 18 September 2018, Scott Manley wrote:



Do you have the evidence to prove this Scott, and if so how much of
a
'time-saver' on real life flying does the computer based training
make
to

the average student?

Paul,

Call me at the phone number listed in the my reply to Newbie. I would
be
happy to share my thoughts on your question based on my experience
over 10
years.

The airlines, military, and professional flight training organization
(e.g., Flight Safety) have long established the economic and time-
saving
benefits of simulation-based flight training. I have no need to reprove
the already proven.

My primary evidence of the effectiveness and efficiency of computer-
based
flight simulation is the testimony of the 70 folks I have worked with.



Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple

question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Geeeezzzzzz, get WhatsApp, Skype, whatever... so you can talk for freeeeeeeee, or until you pass out.