A few newbie questions about the sport

At 18:16 19 September 2018, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-7, Paul T wrote:

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly
simple
question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?


I'll take "sealioning" for a thousand, Alex!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning


Don't be a **** Bob and assume the worst - was asking a fairly simple
question to someone as to the effectiveness of training with simulation -
which his purportedly his business. Was interested in knowing what the
savings in RL training might be? - don't see why that can't be answered on

a public forum.

“I'll take "sealioning" for a thousand, Alex!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning�

Got it in one, Bob

At 13:03 21 September 2018, wrote:
=E2=80=9CI'll take "sealioning" for a thousand, Alex!=20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning=E2=80=9D

Got it in one, Bob

Another ****

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:00:07 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple

question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Assuming you are British - do a search of BGA's excellent magazine; a few years ago there was an article about a student who basically soloed in 5 flights by using Condor to prepare.

I believe the French CNVV has developed a full-up Condor (w/cockpit and big screens) glider simulator for use by French glider clubs.

Our own gliding club (St Louis Soaring Association) in the US is in the process of building up a Condor sim with realistic flight controls and multiple big screens.

Any simulator is just a training tool (Condor is technically an Aircrew Training Device in the lingo of the flight simulation industry) and it's effectiveness is driven by how it is used. Since the cockpit of a glider is not the best classroom, used properly Condor can be a great help to the learning process. Learn it in the sim, practice it in the glider.

Kirk
(been using sims for training for almost 50 years now...yikes!)

At 13:31 20 September 2018, kirk.stant wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:00:07 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly
simpl=
e
=20
question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Assuming you are British - do a search of BGA's excellent magazine; a
few
y=
ears ago there was an article about a student who basically soloed in 5
fli=
ghts by using Condor to prepare.=20

I believe the French CNVV has developed a full-up Condor (w/cockpit
and
big=
screens) glider simulator for use by French glider clubs.

Our own gliding club (St Louis Soaring Association) in the US is in the
pro=
cess of building up a Condor sim with realistic flight controls and
multipl=
e big screens.

Any simulator is just a training tool (Condor is technically an Aircrew
Tra=
ining Device in the lingo of the flight simulation industry) and it's
effec=
tiveness is driven by how it is used. Since the cockpit of a glider is
not
=
the best classroom, used properly Condor can be a great help to the
learnin=
g process. Learn it in the sim, practice it in the glider.

Kirk
(been using sims for training for almost 50 years now...yikes!)


You ask a simple question on here and get slaughtered - I asked a
simple question of someone who uses this method as a business , what
is typically the time saved using this method-its it really such a
difficult
question to answer? Why can't htat be answered on a public forum -
some kind of big secret or something?

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 11:00:08 AM UTC-7, Paul T wrote:
At 13:31 20 September 2018, kirk.stant wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:00:07 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:

Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly
simpl=
e
=20
question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Assuming you are British - do a search of BGA's excellent magazine; a
few
y=
ears ago there was an article about a student who basically soloed in 5
fli=
ghts by using Condor to prepare.=20

I believe the French CNVV has developed a full-up Condor (w/cockpit
and
big=
screens) glider simulator for use by French glider clubs.

Our own gliding club (St Louis Soaring Association) in the US is in the
pro=
cess of building up a Condor sim with realistic flight controls and
multipl=
e big screens.

Any simulator is just a training tool (Condor is technically an Aircrew
Tra=
ining Device in the lingo of the flight simulation industry) and it's
effec=
tiveness is driven by how it is used. Since the cockpit of a glider is
not
=
the best classroom, used properly Condor can be a great help to the
learnin=
g process. Learn it in the sim, practice it in the glider.

Kirk
(been using sims for training for almost 50 years now...yikes!)


You ask a simple question on here and get slaughtered - I asked a
simple question of someone who uses this method as a business , what
is typically the time saved using this method-its it really such a
difficult
question to answer? Why can't htat be answered on a public forum -
some kind of big secret or something?

If you want to ask a simple question, might I suggest you do it without an accusatory tone. Writers including myself have given you plenty antidotal "evidence" of simulation training as a good learning tool. I was required by my insurance to attend Flight Safety for yearly simulation training in a complex aircraft I have flown. Could be Scott runs a small operation, catering to glider pilots, and has not funded a multi-part double blind study large enough for a statically valid result, to see if 1) Condor simulation reduces time to ticket for; a) ab initio student; b) for licensed power pilots transitioning; c) rusty returning pilots; d) currency…..

Simulation training has been around and proven since the Link trainer in the big one, that is WWII. Don't blame Scott or the newsgroup for calling you out on your behavior! For the most part we have a great group that are helpful to one another and many members are the most respected members of our sport internationally. If you truly wanted to know you would have taken Scott up on his offer to communication directly.

Originally Posted by Paul T[_4_]

At 22:44 18 September 2018, Scott Manley wrote:



Do you have the evidence to prove this Scott, and if so how much of
a
'time-saver' on real life flying does the computer based training
make
to

the average student?

Paul,

Call me at the phone number listed in the my reply to Newbie. I would
be
happy to share my thoughts on your question based on my experience
over 10
years.

The airlines, military, and professional flight training organization
(e.g., Flight Safety) have long established the economic and time-
saving
benefits of simulation-based flight training. I have no need to reprove
the already proven.

My primary evidence of the effectiveness and efficiency of computer-
based
flight simulation is the testimony of the 70 folks I have worked with.



Sorry can't afford transatlantic telephone calls - I asked a fairly simple

question, why can't you answer this on a public forum?

Geeeezzzzzz, get WhatsApp, Skype, whatever... so you can talk for freeeeeeeee, or until you pass out.

I'll take "Sealioning" for a thousand, Alex!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

--Bob K.