Affect of Alcohol (Beer) on Soaring and Soaring Racing

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 3:47:48 PM UTC-8, Soartech wrote:
There are scientific studies showing more than two diet drinks a day are linked to
some health issues, including strokes.

Very interesting, because I had a friend who sucked down about 6 diet Cokes a day. It made me very nervous to know he was doing that. Then he had a stroke at age 50! (Later died of cancer.) Coincidence?

Correlation does not equal causation...

Correlation does not equal causation...

Yes we need a randomized double blind study to see if we really are more likely to find lift under big puffy clouds. Flying around with all these ideas of where lift is based on 'bro science' is barbaric and dimwitted

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 4:33:15 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Correlation does not equal causation...

Yes we need a randomized double blind study to see if we really are more likely to find lift under big puffy clouds. Flying around with all these ideas of where lift is based on 'bro science' is barbaric and dimwitted

Interesting argument, considering that many of the first thermal soaring folks thought that the clouds sucked them up, rather than their being lifted by rising air emanating from the ground. Thoughtful observation and disciplined research seem to make the greatest advances.

But then again, I've always found that post-flight beer and BS yield great soaring insights.

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 4:53:42 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:
snip

For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.

A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable). Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous food additive on the market today. It changes the ratio of amino acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin, tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline. Even though it is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol). According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human studies. Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a "Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to break that bond. If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com. Or get a copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.


Yet another aspartame hoax:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130505...health-hoax-2/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ews-180961880/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as...-sweet-poison/

Reply to 2G:

You're joking, right? You cite Snopes as a reputable fact-checker? LOL. And you cite the ACSH (American Council on Science and Health)? What do you know about the ACSH? Who started it and who funds it, eh? It has been funded from the get-go by big agri-business and trade groups such as Kellogg, General Mills, PepsiCo, and the American Beverage Association, among others. That's open source. The entire concept of ACSH was commissioned by Pfizer in response to the 1958 Food Additive Amendment, which restricted the use of cancer-causing chemicals in food. Propaganda is very effective in protecting corporations' profits.

The ACSH has been active in downplaying the risks from DDT, dioxin, asbestos, and other polluting chemicals. Shortly after ACSH's founding, it abandoned even the appearance of independent funding. In a 1997 interview, the ACSH's founder explained that she might as well take industry money without restrictions, as ACSH was already being touted as a "paid liar for industry". It's a good-paying gig, if you can get it.

During its first 15 years of operation, ACSH published the names of its institutional funders, but it has stopped doing this, making it harder to identify where all of its money comes from. As consumer advocate Ralph Nader wrote: "ACSH is a consumer front organization for its business backers. It has seized the language and style of the existing consumer organizations, but its real purpose, you might say, is to glove the hand that feeds it."

Those big pharma, agri and chemical companies are getting good bang for their propagandistic buck when people like you cite them as a definitive source to convince consumers to ignore independent scientists' findings and warnings and instead treat them as a "hoax". A dude named Gilbert Ross was acting prez and exec director of ACSH as of 2015. His medical license was revoked for professional misconduct in 1995 after it was revealed that he had been involved in a scheme that defrauded the New York State Medicaid system of $8 million. He was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison and didn't regain his med license until 2004. But, hey, that's good enough for the corporations that fund ACSH. He's their kinda guy! And you can imagine just how much money is being made by the sale of aspartame. Those profit margins are huge and well worth protecting, right?

If you read Dr Woodrow Monte's book _While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills_, you'll see to what lengths these corporations will go to silence or even incapacitate independent scientists (who have nothing to gain from their whistle-blowing, but everything to lose, including their lives). Read. The. Book. Dr Monte is the worldwide expert on aspartame, and it has cost him plenty to take on the powerful corporations and try to warn the public. I admire his courage. He's published his findings on his website and has given plenty of interviews (YouTube), too, so it's free to the public. And then come back to RAS and set me straight, 2G.

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:09:52 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 4:53:42 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:
snip

For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.

A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable). Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous food additive on the market today. It changes the ratio of amino acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin, tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline. Even though it is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol). According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human studies. Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a "Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to break that bond. If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com. Or get a copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.


Yet another aspartame hoax:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130505...health-hoax-2/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ews-180961880/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as...-sweet-poison/

Reply to 2G:

You're joking, right? You cite Snopes as a reputable fact-checker? LOL.. And you cite the ACSH (American Council on Science and Health)? What do you know about the ACSH? Who started it and who funds it, eh? It has been funded from the get-go by big agri-business and trade groups such as Kellogg, General Mills, PepsiCo, and the American Beverage Association, among others. That's open source. The entire concept of ACSH was commissioned by Pfizer in response to the 1958 Food Additive Amendment, which restricted the use of cancer-causing chemicals in food. Propaganda is very effective in protecting corporations' profits.

The ACSH has been active in downplaying the risks from DDT, dioxin, asbestos, and other polluting chemicals. Shortly after ACSH's founding, it abandoned even the appearance of independent funding. In a 1997 interview, the ACSH's founder explained that she might as well take industry money without restrictions, as ACSH was already being touted as a "paid liar for industry". It's a good-paying gig, if you can get it.

During its first 15 years of operation, ACSH published the names of its institutional funders, but it has stopped doing this, making it harder to identify where all of its money comes from. As consumer advocate Ralph Nader wrote: "ACSH is a consumer front organization for its business backers. It has seized the language and style of the existing consumer organizations, but its real purpose, you might say, is to glove the hand that feeds it."

Those big pharma, agri and chemical companies are getting good bang for their propagandistic buck when people like you cite them as a definitive source to convince consumers to ignore independent scientists' findings and warnings and instead treat them as a "hoax". A dude named Gilbert Ross was acting prez and exec director of ACSH as of 2015. His medical license was revoked for professional misconduct in 1995 after it was revealed that he had been involved in a scheme that defrauded the New York State Medicaid system of $8 million. He was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison and didn't regain his med license until 2004. But, hey, that's good enough for the corporations that fund ACSH. He's their kinda guy! And you can imagine just how much money is being made by the sale of aspartame. Those profit margins are huge and well worth protecting, right?

If you read Dr Woodrow Monte's book _While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills_, you'll see to what lengths these corporations will go to silence or even incapacitate independent scientists (who have nothing to gain from their whistle-blowing, but everything to lose, including their lives). Read. The. Book. Dr Monte is the worldwide expert on aspartame, and it has cost him plenty to take on the powerful corporations and try to warn the public.. I admire his courage. He's published his findings on his website and has given plenty of interviews (YouTube), too, so it's free to the public. And then come back to RAS and set me straight, 2G.

The only good science is bro science. Harvard medical school has over a hundred year history of taking money to cook results in favor of industry. Sugar industry a 100 years ago, recent one was relevant to this topic. a researcher soliciting money from the alcohol industry to downplay the effects of chronic drinking. Go look up the math on those one drink a day s=is good for you studies and see just how big that one drink should be.
You can't believe science from universities, trade associations are worse.

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 10:09:52 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 4:53:42 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:
snip

For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.

A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable). Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous food additive on the market today. It changes the ratio of amino acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin, tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline. Even though it is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol). According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human studies. Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a "Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to break that bond. If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com. Or get a copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.


Yet another aspartame hoax:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130505...health-hoax-2/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ews-180961880/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as...-sweet-poison/

Reply to 2G:

You're joking, right? You cite Snopes as a reputable fact-checker? LOL.. And you cite the ACSH (American Council on Science and Health)? What do you know about the ACSH? Who started it and who funds it, eh? It has been funded from the get-go by big agri-business and trade groups such as Kellogg, General Mills, PepsiCo, and the American Beverage Association, among others. That's open source. The entire concept of ACSH was commissioned by Pfizer in response to the 1958 Food Additive Amendment, which restricted the use of cancer-causing chemicals in food. Propaganda is very effective in protecting corporations' profits.

The ACSH has been active in downplaying the risks from DDT, dioxin, asbestos, and other polluting chemicals. Shortly after ACSH's founding, it abandoned even the appearance of independent funding. In a 1997 interview, the ACSH's founder explained that she might as well take industry money without restrictions, as ACSH was already being touted as a "paid liar for industry". It's a good-paying gig, if you can get it.

During its first 15 years of operation, ACSH published the names of its institutional funders, but it has stopped doing this, making it harder to identify where all of its money comes from. As consumer advocate Ralph Nader wrote: "ACSH is a consumer front organization for its business backers. It has seized the language and style of the existing consumer organizations, but its real purpose, you might say, is to glove the hand that feeds it."

Those big pharma, agri and chemical companies are getting good bang for their propagandistic buck when people like you cite them as a definitive source to convince consumers to ignore independent scientists' findings and warnings and instead treat them as a "hoax". A dude named Gilbert Ross was acting prez and exec director of ACSH as of 2015. His medical license was revoked for professional misconduct in 1995 after it was revealed that he had been involved in a scheme that defrauded the New York State Medicaid system of $8 million. He was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison and didn't regain his med license until 2004. But, hey, that's good enough for the corporations that fund ACSH. He's their kinda guy! And you can imagine just how much money is being made by the sale of aspartame. Those profit margins are huge and well worth protecting, right?

If you read Dr Woodrow Monte's book _While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills_, you'll see to what lengths these corporations will go to silence or even incapacitate independent scientists (who have nothing to gain from their whistle-blowing, but everything to lose, including their lives). Read. The. Book. Dr Monte is the worldwide expert on aspartame, and it has cost him plenty to take on the powerful corporations and try to warn the public.. I admire his courage. He's published his findings on his website and has given plenty of interviews (YouTube), too, so it's free to the public. And then come back to RAS and set me straight, 2G.

LOL! You don't accept the opinion of the FDA, but you DO accept that of a QUACK! Snopes merely published a response to these aspartame hoaxes by David Hattan, Acting Director of the Division of Health Effects Evaluation in the United States Food & Drug Administration (USFDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. You obviously didn't read it.

On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 4:53:07 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:

LOL! You don't accept the opinion of the FDA, but you DO accept that of a QUACK! Snopes merely published a response to these aspartame hoaxes by David Hattan, Acting Director of the Division of Health Effects Evaluation in the United States Food & Drug Administration (USFDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. You obviously didn't read it.
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For those concerned about thread drift, go ahead and scroll on by. It's easy! I do it all the time ...

You can't be that naive, 2G. The FDA has long been referred to as the "Fraud and Death Administration". Its head is a political appointee. The FDA serves the bottom lines of Big Food and Big Pharma, and the "revolving door" spins from the FDA to industry and back again at an alarming pace. Simply google FDA and "revolving door" to get quite an eyeful.

For 16 years G.D. Searle, now part of Monsanto, tried to get approval for aspartame, but it had been denied by FDA scientists. Why? Because three independent scientists found that aspartame came with a high danger of inducing brain tumours. "The FDA's own toxicologist, Dr Adrian Gross, told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumours and brain cancer."

Donald Rumsfeld, the CEO of Searle at the time, managed to use his transitional federal government position to place a crony in charge of the FDA -- Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr. Rumsfeld's man helped push aspartame through while hiding the results of certain tests before 1970, where monkeys either died or had grand mal seizures. No FDA Commissioner in the previous 16 years had allowed aspartame on the market. Dr Monte goes into the whole sordid story in his book, as do other scientists and journalists online. Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus from Monsanto (which absorbed Searle) for his "efforts".

Soon after that successful dirty deed, Rumsfeld's useful crony Hayes went to work for Burson-Marsteller, the chief public relations firm for both Monsanto and G.D. Searle. The revolving door keeps on spinning.

Are you going to smear neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock as a quack, too? In his book _Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills_, he details the relationship between aspartame and macular degeneration, diabetic blindness, and glaucoma.

And good luck in blithely dismissing the medical text _Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic_ by Dr H. J. Roberts. Another quack in your estimation? These docs weren't rewarded with millions for their "efforts". On the contrary, taking on Big Pharma is time-consuming, costly, and dangerous.

Gotta love the FDA. Our tax dollars at work, serving corporate interests and not the public the FDA purports to protect.

So, have at it, 2G. Guzzle that aspartame. You might just be the lucky one, inured to the damage it does to the rest of us mere mortals. Interestingly, in a story for your "karma's a bitch" file, an employee working for the Searle family reported that, despite being warned by others of the dangers of aspartame, Bill Searle and his brother Fred continued to drink Diet Coke. (Bill was the driving force behind the approval for aspartame.) "Perhaps they were trying to justify themselves," the employee opined. Both died of brain cancer, but the employee reported that it was "hushed up".

On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 12:09:14 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 4:53:07 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_control_disorder

9B

Andy Blackburn wrote on 2/26/2019 12:33 PM:
On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 12:09:14 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 4:53:07 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_control_disorder

I thought ICD was "Internet Conspiracy Disorder".


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On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 12:09:14 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 4:53:07 PM UTC+13, 2G wrote:

LOL! You don't accept the opinion of the FDA, but you DO accept that of a QUACK! Snopes merely published a response to these aspartame hoaxes by David Hattan, Acting Director of the Division of Health Effects Evaluation in the United States Food & Drug Administration (USFDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. You obviously didn't read it.
_____

For those concerned about thread drift, go ahead and scroll on by. It's easy! I do it all the time ...

You can't be that naive, 2G. The FDA has long been referred to as the "Fraud and Death Administration". Its head is a political appointee. The FDA serves the bottom lines of Big Food and Big Pharma, and the "revolving door" spins from the FDA to industry and back again at an alarming pace. Simply google FDA and "revolving door" to get quite an eyeful.

For 16 years G.D. Searle, now part of Monsanto, tried to get approval for aspartame, but it had been denied by FDA scientists. Why? Because three independent scientists found that aspartame came with a high danger of inducing brain tumours. "The FDA's own toxicologist, Dr Adrian Gross, told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumours and brain cancer."

Donald Rumsfeld, the CEO of Searle at the time, managed to use his transitional federal government position to place a crony in charge of the FDA -- Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr. Rumsfeld's man helped push aspartame through while hiding the results of certain tests before 1970, where monkeys either died or had grand mal seizures. No FDA Commissioner in the previous 16 years had allowed aspartame on the market. Dr Monte goes into the whole sordid story in his book, as do other scientists and journalists online. Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus from Monsanto (which absorbed Searle) for his "efforts".

Soon after that successful dirty deed, Rumsfeld's useful crony Hayes went to work for Burson-Marsteller, the chief public relations firm for both Monsanto and G.D. Searle. The revolving door keeps on spinning.

Are you going to smear neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock as a quack, too? In his book _Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills_, he details the relationship between aspartame and macular degeneration, diabetic blindness, and glaucoma.

And good luck in blithely dismissing the medical text _Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic_ by Dr H. J. Roberts. Another quack in your estimation? These docs weren't rewarded with millions for their "efforts". On the contrary, taking on Big Pharma is time-consuming, costly, and dangerous.

Gotta love the FDA. Our tax dollars at work, serving corporate interests and not the public the FDA purports to protect.

So, have at it, 2G. Guzzle that aspartame. You might just be the lucky one, inured to the damage it does to the rest of us mere mortals. Interestingly, in a story for your "karma's a bitch" file, an employee working for the Searle family reported that, despite being warned by others of the dangers of aspartame, Bill Searle and his brother Fred continued to drink Diet Coke. (Bill was the driving force behind the approval for aspartame.) "Perhaps they were trying to justify themselves," the employee opined. Both died of brain cancer, but the employee reported that it was "hushed up".

Well, I guess that you believe that the FDA CAN'T be trusted - recommend that you swear off all prescription drugs! Are you related to Jim Jones?