Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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Ed's were in Nam. Mine were in the ETO over Germany.

Machs nicht. Aircrew casualties 1939-1945 were
higher than in Vietnam were they not.
The word horrendous springs to mind.

IBM

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ArtKramr wrote:

I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam

I was 3 years old when Linebacker I kicked off and 3 1/2 for Linebacker II and
I still knew what they were.....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Ed Rasimus wrote in
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Steve and I flew together during '72-'73 in the 34th TFS at Korat. I
flew 110 missions (100 over NVN) in the F-105D, then 150 in the F-4E
(50 over NVN.) Steve's got more missions.

And neither of you care much about it I'd venture to guess.

IBM

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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...

As you know, he did not volunteer for deployment in Vietnam.
When he enlisted in the ANG he indicated that he did not want
to be stationsed overseas. Later, when he had only a couple of
years left, he did volunteer for a program that could have
deployed him overseas, but not necessarily in Vietnam. He didn't
have enough expience, and the aircraft for which he was qualified
was being phased out so, one does wonder why he did.


Being phased out, but in USAF service until mid 1973.

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 7/11/2004 8:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:

I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam

I was 3 years old when Linebacker I kicked off and 3 1/2 for Linebacker II
and
I still knew what they were.....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


You must be unusually brilliant. Do you know gat operation Casy Jones was in WW
II?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: Ian MacLure
Date: 7/11/2004 8:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote in
:

[snip]

Ed's were in Nam. Mine were in the ETO over Germany.

Machs nicht. Aircrew casualties 1939-1945 were
higher than in Vietnam were they not.
The word horrendous springs to mind.

IBM



I never flew in Viet Nam and have no idea of rhe casualty rate vis-s-vis the
ETO. And I don't want to start an argument over which war was more dangerous
for flyers.
Let's just say that no one goes into combat with any assurances of ever coming
out alive, and let it go at that.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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[snip]

Sheeesh. The mind boggles as the blood curles. No one in WW II got
nearly that many.

Depends. If you were in from the get-go in 39 and in something
that generated a lot of short sorties you could. RAF Coastal Command
for instance.
I expect there may have been some on the other side who got that
many or more.
It is however impressive for a modern war.

IBM



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"D. Strang" wrote in
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General Yeager tells a story in his book, where one time he was scared
to fly. I'm probably not describing it correctly, as he wasn't
scared, he was sure he was going to die. That's more what I mean. In
combat, there are times when you are sure you are going to die, and
maybe scared isn't the right word, but worrying about your family or
fellow soldiers, who will now have to deal with that.

A lot of the time being scared is the only sane reaction.
How you deal with it is what separates the heroes and the zeroes.

IBM

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Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: Ian MacLure
Date: 7/11/2004 9:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote in news:20040711151304.23951.00001710@mb-
m28.aol.com:

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What's a Linebacker?

Code name for a campaign of coordinated strikes
agaunst targets in North Vietnam. IIRC.

IBM


Thank you. I appreciate it.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
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Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: Ian MacLure
Date: 7/11/2004 9:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"D. Strang" wrote in
news:jEgIc.22562$r3.17753@okepread03:

[snip]

General Yeager tells a story in his book, where one time he was scared
to fly. I'm probably not describing it correctly, as he wasn't
scared, he was sure he was going to die. That's more what I mean. In
combat, there are times when you are sure you are going to die, and
maybe scared isn't the right word, but worrying about your family or
fellow soldiers, who will now have to deal with that.

A lot of the time being scared is the only sane reaction.
How you deal with it is what separates the heroes and the zeroes.

IBM



Fear is always present to a greater or lessser degree. Keeping it under control
makes everything possible.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer