GAO Report: GA Security Threat

John Halpenny wrote:


Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
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| "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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| | I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he
| | isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news
| | watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were
led
| | to believe. There are no WMD, period.
| |
|
| Saddam's own military commanders all believed that Saddam had WMD. They
have
| told investigators that they still believe it.
|
| I'm only aware of one such person and he made claims about nuclear
| weapons which made it clear that he actually knew nothing about them.

Well, I heard it on NPR.

Do you recall the context? E.g. did the NPR speaking head say that or
did the NPR speaking head quote someone else as saying that, or
was someone else being interviewed who said that or did they play
statements from 'all' of Sadam Hussein's own military commanders?
Were ANY of the commanders mentioned by name?

I have speculated that the Iraqi military was so weakened by the
1991 war and ensuing sanctions that Saddam Hussein created the
impression that he was hiding WMDs as a bluff to forstall
military action against his regime from outside or within. But
I don't claim that to be anything but my own speculation.

Let's not forget that he only controlled about 2/3 of his own
country and his control over half of that was marginal.


His WMD were effective enough to stop the US for 12 years, until the UN
discovered they weren't there and that it was safe to attack.

And you are a moron.....

The following individuals apparently feel that this site is for their
personal bickering.

Below is some of the unwarranted garbage they have been whining about.
Personally I am tired of seeing it and sifting through it. There is no
relevance to this site, and I find it as compelling as tapeworm to have to
delete all this fluff and name-calling. Will you guys either quit or move to
a site where it would be welcome. Maybe you could meet at a bar, have a few
drinks and bash each other in person.
Bob
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John Halpenny wrote:


Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote

| "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message

| I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam
missing................ (

There are no WMD, period....................
| |
|
Well, I heard it on NPR........................

Do you recall the context? ..................

I have speculated that the Iraqi military ...........

I don't claim that to be anything but my own
speculation..................

And you are a moron........................

"Bob and Mary Beard" wrote in message
...
The following individuals apparently feel that this site is for their
personal bickering.


This is not a "site."

Ian,

The UN didn't stop saying that Saddam had WMD until Ignorance S. Blix
was unable to find anything (including an explanation for what had
happened to them) last year.

For that matter, they never said that he didn't have them, only that
they needed more time to find them.


Simply not true.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 05:56:44 GMT, Bob and Mary Beard wrote:

The following individuals apparently feel that this site is for their
^^^^^^^^^
personal bickering.

*here* is Usenet.

#m
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http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php
http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Ian,

The UN didn't stop saying that Saddam had WMD until Ignorance S. Blix
was unable to find anything (including an explanation for what had
happened to them) last year.

For that matter, they never said that he didn't have them, only that
they needed more time to find them.

Simply not true.

Both Hans Blix and Jacques Chirac said that there was no reason to
believe that Iraq did NOT have WMD. Now of course, Blix is doing some
retroactive spinning.

Mark Hickey

Mark,

Both Hans Blix and Jacques Chirac said that there was no reason to
believe that Iraq did NOT have WMD.


Which IS different from saying "They have them", like Bush did - and
then being unable to find them.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Ian,


The UN didn't stop saying that Saddam had WMD until Ignorance S. Blix
was unable to find anything (including an explanation for what had
happened to them) last year.

For that matter, they never said that he didn't have them, only that
they needed more time to find them.



Simply not true.

If you say so.

Go read the final report (http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm)

"There is a long list of items unaccounted for . . ."

"The unaccounted-for weapons could have been either destroyed or hidden
by the Iraqis."

"He has called on the Security Council to allow UN inspectors to resume
the search for Iraq's proscribed weapons that was halted in early March,
just before the U.S.-led invasion."

"These reports do not contend that weapons of mass destruction remain in
Iraq, but nor do they exclude that possibility. They point to lack of
evidence and inconsistencies, which raise question marks, which must be
straightened out, if weapons dossiers are to be closed and confidence is
to arise."

"The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the
Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that
19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a
discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs
would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence
to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now
unaccounted for."

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Mark,


Both Hans Blix and Jacques Chirac said that there was no reason to
believe that Iraq did NOT have WMD.



Which IS different from saying "They have them", like Bush did - and
then being unable to find them.

Well, hell, Thomas, there's no proof that YOU exist . . !

One word... filter...


--
Dan D.



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"Bob and Mary Beard" wrote in message ...
The following individuals apparently feel that this site is for their
personal bickering.

Below is some of the unwarranted garbage they have been whining about.
Personally I am tired of seeing it and sifting through it. There is no
relevance to this site, and I find it as compelling as tapeworm to have to
delete all this fluff and name-calling. Will you guys either quit or move to
a site where it would be welcome. Maybe you could meet at a bar, have a few
drinks and bash each other in person.
Bob
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John Halpenny wrote:


Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote

| "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message

| I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam
missing................ (

There are no WMD, period....................
| |
|
Well, I heard it on NPR........................

Do you recall the context? ..................

I have speculated that the Iraqi military ...........

I don't claim that to be anything but my own
speculation..................

And you are a moron........................