Female pilot accident rates

I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team
had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz).
(Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed
into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.)

The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim.

The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had
a female captain.

ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain.
(of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill,
but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada
in Cincinatti I think).

The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit.

A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the
median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van,
killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone
female pilot.

A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a
carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female
F-14 pilots are there?)

See what I mean?

-----------

"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
om...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team
had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz).
(Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed
into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.)

The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim.

The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had
a female captain.

ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain.
(of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill,
but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada
in Cincinatti I think).

The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit.

A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the
median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van,
killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone
female pilot.

A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a
carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female
F-14 pilots are there?)

See what I mean?

-----------
If I were you, I would get ready to duck ! :-))

BMC

OK troll, I'll bite.

I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the
relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group.

The study was of ferry pilots in World War II and looked at the performance
of men and women delivering aircraft to England. Remember, this was in the
days of poor weather forecasts and primitive navigation.

The study corrected for training and experience to attempt to determine if
there was any essential difference between men and women. The conclusion was
that there was a statistical basis to support the contention that men should
not be allowed to fly aircraft at all!


--

Roger Long



"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
om...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team
had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz).
(Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed
into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.)

The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim.

The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had
a female captain.

ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain.
(of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill,
but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada
in Cincinatti I think).

The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit.

A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the
median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van,
killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone
female pilot.

A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a
carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female
F-14 pilots are there?)

See what I mean?

-----------

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
OK troll, I'll bite.

I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the
relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group.

The study was of ferry pilots in World War II and looked at the
performance of men and women delivering aircraft to England. Remember,
this was in the days of poor weather forecasts and primitive navigation.

The study corrected for training and experience to attempt to determine if
there was any essential difference between men and women. The conclusion
was that there was a statistical basis to support the contention that men
should not be allowed to fly aircraft at all!


--

Roger Long



"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
om...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team
had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz).
(Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed
into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.)


Unknown at this time what the cause ir causes were....

The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim.

Once again, way too early to assign a cause...


The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had
a female captain.

Overloaded? I read as some wieght and balance "guy" screwed up. If , in fact
that was the case........


ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain.
(of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill,
but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada
in Cincinatti I think).

All sorts of errors(some felonious) in that abortion, however, none by the
flight crew....


The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit.


And? Your point is??

A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the
median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van,
killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone
female pilot.

Did she walk, stumble or crawl away?


A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a
carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female
F-14 pilots are there?)


I have no idea but I seriously doubt there's any "fluffers" in the bunch....


See what I mean?


Uh, not really. I'll offer this as advice, if that troll was an attempt to
get a date, maybe you "change the bait."

T3

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
OK troll, I'll bite.

I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the
relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group.

There was an NTSB study within the past four years that looked at this
question. I'm going on memory here, but the aggregate accident rates were
not different in a statistically significant way. But there was a suggestion
that the causes of accidents were somewhat different across the two groups.
Women, it seemed, were more likely to be involved in accidents owing to
mishandling the aircraft, while men were more likely to make serious
judgment errors.

A female friend of mine commented on it thusly: "So what they're saying is
women are more likely to be incompetent, while men are just plain stupid."

I thought that summed it up pretty well.

-cwk.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:07:16 GMT, "C Kingsbury"
wrote:

A female friend of mine commented on it thusly: "So what they're saying is
women are more likely to be incompetent, while men are just plain stupid."

Now that's funny!

z

It is a well-known fact that men refuse to stop at gas stations or ask
directions. This doubtless explains why they account for the majority
of airplane crashes.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
the blog www.danford.net

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...
There was an NTSB study within the past four years that looked at this
question. I'm going on memory here, but the aggregate accident rates were
not different in a statistically significant way. But there was a
suggestion
that the causes of accidents were somewhat different across the two
groups.
Women, it seemed, were more likely to be involved in accidents owing to
mishandling the aircraft, while men were more likely to make serious
judgment errors.

I think that one you may have backwards. I recall some tests of male-female
pilots recently. The findings were that women handled the aircraft better
(more precisely, more smoothly), but men were better at emergency
procedures.

C Kingsbury ) wrote:
: There was an NTSB study within the past four years that looked at this
: question. I'm going on memory here, but the aggregate accident rates were
: not different in a statistically significant way. But there was a suggestion
: that the causes of accidents were somewhat different across the two groups.
That is true. And I don't think the study was in the last 4 years.

: Women, it seemed, were more likely to be involved in accidents owing to
: mishandling the aircraft, while men were more likely to make serious
: judgment errors.
My take on reading part of it was that women were more likely to folow
procedures even when they weren't the best thing to do and men were
more likley not to follow procedures when they were the best thing to do.

So it depends on whats wrong and if the best solution is in the
manual.

This report came out about the time of the ValueJet 592 accident
(May 96) and I had wonder if the procedure of "return to a maintenance
base" hadn't been a factor. The plane was very close to the big
runway at Kennedy when it was clear that there was a fire on board
and Orlando was much closer than Miami.

-tim
http://web.abnormal.com

Hi NG,

Roger Long wrote:
OK troll, I'll bite.

I'm only aware of one rigorous study ever performed to determine the
relative aptitude and safety of men vs women pilots as a group.

The study was of ferry pilots in World War II and looked at the
performance of men and women delivering aircraft to England.
Remember, this was in the days of poor weather forecasts and
primitive navigation.

The study corrected for training and experience to attempt to
determine if there was any essential difference between men and
women. The conclusion was that there was a statistical basis to
support the contention that men should not be allowed to fly aircraft
at all!

I have no idea about statistics, but will offer my opinion anyway:

Two abilities play a major role in flying an aircraft: spatial
orientation and the ability to perform several tasks at the same time.
While the first is mainly atributed to men, the second is clearly a
female stronghold!

So on the skill side it's 1:1. On the judgement side someone has
already mentioned the general statement, that women tend to act
incompentent, while men tend to act plain stupid.

Overall you can pull just the same arguments used generally in "women
driver" discussions.

regards,
Friedrich

--
for personal email please remove "entfernen" from my adress