Debacle: Flight test of Diana-2

On 17 Oct 2005 21:16:49 GMT, Nick Olson
wrote:

Nothing special about that except the performance so
what is so difficult. I don't hear people saying that
a Discus (1 or 2) LS8 or any of the Scheilcher gliders
are anything but straightforward providing the pilot
has received the proper training.

Don get your basic facts right matey - Diana is a FLAPPED
15m glider!!

.... and?
In my club the required total time to fly our ASW-20 was 100 hours.
Noone ever had a problem (and for all of them it was the first flapped
glider).
In my opinion the 20 is a lot harder to fly than the current 15m class
gliders (DG-800, ASW-27 and Ventus 2).

200 hours including experience on flapped gliders should be plenty to
fly any flapped glider.





Bye
Andreas

At 14:12 17 October 2005, Don Johnstone wrote:

We are not talking open class here, the Diana is a
15 metre glider, unflapped with a claimed LD of 50.

Nothing special about that except the performance so
what is so difficult. I don't hear people saying that
a Discus (1 or 2) LS8 or any of the Scheilcher gliders
are anything but straightforward providing the pilot
has received the proper training.

Don get your basic facts right matey - Diana is a FLAPPED
15m glider!!

At 21:18 17 October 2005, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 20:06 17 October 2005, Ian Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:09:02 UTC, Stefan
wrote:

Hmmm... Now, you must decide: Is that glider (15m!)
'easy and safe to
fly' or do you need more than 200 hours to be able
to handle it?

200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't
you think?

Ian

Sorry, I don't get it. Suggestive of what?

How about a crap soaring pilot..9.6 mins per launch,
sums things up somewhat

Glider Factfinder wrote:

How about a crap soaring pilot..9.6 mins per launch,
sums things up somewhat

Or an instructor who does primarily winch launched circuit training. (A
winch launched circuit lasting about 3 to 4 minutes on average,
depending on the place.) Of course, I haven't found more facts than you.

Stefan

It seems to me that this subject has been sufficiently beaten to death...and
beyond. Any chance we can drop it and move on to something more interesting?

SW

Scott Westfall wrote:
It seems to me that this subject has been sufficiently beaten to death...and
beyond. Any chance we can drop it and move on to something more interesting?

Aw Scott, I was just getting out my *big* dead-horse-beatin' stick.
;-)

Shawn

At 21:36 17 October 2005, Ian Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:15:29 UTC, Don Johnstone
wrote:

At 20:06 17 October 2005, Ian Johnston wrote:

200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't
you think?

Sorry, I don't get it. Suggestive of what?

Quite a lot, really. 9 minutes 36 seconds per flight,
on average.

Ian

Interesting, I have roughly the same average with 1540
hours and 8500 launches. I must be in-experienced as
well then.
A lot of instructors get stuck with that sort of average,
goes with the territory they don't have the opportunities
others do.
To my mind the launches (and landings) are an indication
of being able to get it right more than pure hours.