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Mike wrote:
Thomas Borchert wrote: Bob, Obviously the current system isn't working well. So you didn't even check? And you do tha regularly? Jeeze, wtf do you expect? This makes what happened entirely your fault, I'm afraid. And, What's funny is the guy keeps saying he didn't know the President was in town. I think this is a case of not doing the pre-flight homework. I knew about the TFR two days before it went into effect. On an extended trip, a "pop-up" TFR can appear after you've checked NOTAMs prior to departure. The only way I can think of to avoid these is to be talking to ATC (e.g., under IFR or with flight following) during your flight. I'm not sure if the satellite service providers have enough notification to identify pop-up TFRs. While Bob and the pilot described in the news article Mike identified probably violated TFRs that were in a published NOTAM, a pop-up NOTAM can be difficult to avoid if you're flying VFR and are not talking to ATC. Also, I recall from an AOPA article that some TFRs are mobile. For example, there are TFRs over and around the president and the vice president no matter where they happen to be, including when they are moving. Their precise movements and positions are justifiably unpublished until the last possible moment for obvious reasons, and so these TFRs can also be difficult to avoid if you're not talking to ATC. I don't know if the satellite service providers find out about these in time, either. I think the days of taking off after merely checking the fuel tanks and kicking the tire, and flying VFR wherever interest leads us, are gone in large metropolitan areas. In my view, taking off without checking weather and NOTAMs is reckless behavior, whether in a metropolitan area or elsewhere. I think there's also an argument that not talking to ATC during flight in metropolitan areas is negligent behavior. By penetrating TFRs without ATC authorization, negligent pilots are making it all the easier for opponents of general aviation to make their case with Congress and others. In my opinion, we should: 1) Check weather and NOTAMs with FSS before EVERY flight; 2) talk to ATC by either filing and flying IFR or getting flight following; and 3) encourage every pilot you know to do the same. It may restrict the freedom we value so much, but will go a long way toward trying to ensure that we don't lose that freedom altogether. |
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Newps wrote:
A preflight before every flight? I don't think so. Once a day. Check the stall warner? Every year at the annual. I do it once a day, unless the aircraft has been moved by ground handlers, then I spend an entire extra 15 minutes. A "three loop" preflight doesn't take more than 15 minutes on my Sundowner. Maybe an extra 3 is required if I need to clean the windshield. After removing the pitot cover & cowl plugs: Loop One (3 minutes) (start in cockpit): Record numbers Controls free and correct Master on Fuel pump on - chk pressure Fuel pump off All lights and pitot heat on - leave plane, chk all lights, strobes, pitot heat, stall horn Master off Flaps extended - leave for loop two Loop Two (10-12 mins)(grab GATS jar): Left flap Left Aileron Left Tip Sight Wing Left LE Left tie down (remove) Eyeball left fuel Drain fuel sample Check left wheel, tire & brake while cup fills Check sample, return to tank if OK Left Nose Nose Gear Spinner Prop Alternator Belt Cowl openings Check Oil & cover security Right Nose Drain gascolator Eyeball and check belly panels and antennae Eyeball right fuel Pour gascolator sample in right tank (if good) Pull right sample as I eyeball tire, wheel and brake Check Sample Right LE Right tie down Right Tip Sight wing skin Right Aileron Right Flap Right Static Port Right Stabilator Trim tab Eyeball fuselage skin (both sides) Rudder Tail tie down Left Stabilator Left Static port Toss GATS jar back in baggage area Secure baggage area Pull chock Loop Three (20 seconds) Walk around, viewing overall picture from 10-15 feet away Clean windshield (if necessary) Return to cockpit Retract flaps Stuff like the lights, stall horn, etc... take what, 5 seconds each to check during the first orbit? G This procedure takes almost as long to write out as it does to do, and automatically checks for ice, ground damage, stolen fuel, etc... Unless you're flying an airliner, where's the waste? |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:WFDdg.3821$1i1.3343@attbi_s72... Check nav lights and rotating beacon You check them on EVERY flight? I only check those before a night flight. (And my rotating beacon was removed years ago, in lieu of strobes.) Of course you check them on every flight. Your strobes are required even in daytime. And the other lights, well...would you rather learn they were inoperative when you don't need them, or just before you were planning to head out at night, thus forcing the flight to be scrubbed? Pete |
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Peter Duniho wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:WFDdg.3821$1i1.3343@attbi_s72... Check nav lights and rotating beacon You check them on EVERY flight? I only check those before a night flight. (And my rotating beacon was removed years ago, in lieu of strobes.) Of course you check them on every flight. Your strobes are required even in daytime. And the other lights, well...would you rather learn they were inoperative when you don't need them, or just before you were planning to head out at night, thus forcing the flight to be scrubbed? That is exactly why I check them before every flight, and also why I carry a spare 7512-12V in the little junk box in the back. -jav |
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![]() Peter Duniho wrote: Your strobes are required even in daytime. So a Cub with no electrical system, can't fly day vfr? |
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I guarantee you that in three minutes, you do NOT check "every screw, bolt
and connector". You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient time for a preflight inspection. Well, maybe it's my familiarity with the bird. No, I'm not checking the torque of every bolt, but I do use the fuel tester Phillips screw driver to check screws for tightness. And I always sump the tanks, and check the oil. Additionally, I visually inspect every control surface hinge and manually move each control surface, checking for proper hinge pin placement, etc. On my plane, it's not possible to "open the engine up" (like we used to do in our Warrior), so that saves me a bit of time, too. (Time I'd rather spend, quite frankly; our one-piece fiberglass cowl may look better than the Warriors, but I sure miss being able to visually inspect the engine before each flight.) I have no idea what could take more than 3 - 5 minutes, unless you find something suspicious. Hopefully, that's a rare occasion, indeed. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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The Visitor wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote: Your strobes are required even in daytime. So a Cub with no electrical system, can't fly day vfr? I think FAR 91.209 (b) covers this - IF the plane is equipped with anticollision lights they must lighted (unless the PIC determines in the interest of safety they should be turned off). So a plane not even equipped with them is naturally not required to light them! |
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I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?
Sampling/draining all five fuel sumps? Yep. Testing the stall warning switch Yep. & ELT operation Nope. But mine is brand, spanking new. inspecting the brake linings, looking for hydraulic leaks, tire treads No-can-do with Fancy Pants. Everything is inside. But I inspect for puddles. pitot/static ports Yep. prop condition, spinner attachment Yep. http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUC...info.asp?ID=29 Your list counts a lot of stuff that I prefer to do more as "daily maintenance" than "pre-flight". For example, cleaning the windshield is a whole different thing when it's your plane, in your hangar. As a renter, cleaning the windshield was a "pre-flight" item. As an owner, it's a "post-flight" item, so that the plane is ready to go for the next flight. Same with fueling. My pre-flight checks have evolved over the years. As previously stated, I don't check my nav lights anymore unless I'm anticipating a night flight. (Do you fly with them on in the daytime?) Strobes are checked as a roll past my hangar rows, and I view their reflection. Checking my landing light before engine start used to be a critical item; now, with three of them, it's a non-event. (I can see them from the cockpit now...) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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This procedure takes almost as long to write out as it does to do
Well, it sure didn't take me 15 minutes to read. Honestly, I think some of you guys are experiencing time-elongation during preflight... ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"The Visitor" wrote in message
... Peter Duniho wrote: Your strobes are required even in daytime. So a Cub with no electrical system, can't fly day vfr? No, and that's not what I said. Your reading comprehension is pitiful. I wrote "YOUR strobes are required even in daytime". Jay's airplane is equipped with strobes, and no rotating beacon (so they are his anti-collision lights). As such, they are required to be lit during all operations, including daytime. Pete |
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