NATCA Going Down in Flames

In a previous article, Larry Dighera said:
If US auto makers are to remain in business, they must cut costs, and
those fat labor contracts are a prime source of cost. So, the reason

They've also got to stop designing crap cars. My Toyota Corolla was built
in Cambridge Ontario by Canadian Auto Worker union members, and it's so
well built that they export them back to Japan. Meanwhile your average
Ford, GM or Chrysler is a gas guzzling maintenance nightmare because Ford,
GM, and Chrysler care more about keeping shareholders happy than investing
money in research and design.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
....I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply
suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an
interpreter. -- Nick Petreley

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On 4 Sep 2006 10:24:51 -0700, wrote in
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It's ridiculous that an employer thinks they can arbitrarily change the
terms of employment without consulting the employees.


Absurd! You should work for an auto company. Over the past 20 or so
years white colar workers have lost COLA, vacation time, etc.

Personally, I believe auto workers were paid far in excess of the
skill they possessed. (How long did an auto worker have to attend
training before being considered skilled enough to demand top pay?)


Snip

Larry,

FWIW, my late father was a 32-year veteran of GMs white collar world...

What you say is true so far as the blue collar rank and file UAW memebers
were/are concerned.

But, while the US automakers were busy bending over backwards to make the
people on the assembly lines happy, they were balancing the equation by
making the lower and middle management white collar positions take it in the
shorts.

Jay B

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, none said:

This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.


It's ridiculous that an employer thinks they can arbitrarily change the
terms of employment without consulting the employees.

Perfectly legal in this case. The previous contract expired quite a
while ago. Negotiations broke down. The way federal law is written FAA
may impose their contract subject to approval by Congress. Congress
approved by not taking up the issue.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, none said:
This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.

It's ridiculous that an employer thinks they can arbitrarily change the
terms of employment without consulting the employees.

FLASH, FLASH, FLASH....employers have that right. The work place is not a
democracy.

Sounds like NATCA needs to be Reaganed.

It sounds like this country needs to remember that employees aren't
slaves.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Considering the number of wheels Microsoft has found reason to invent,
one never ceases to be baffled by the minuscule number whose shape even
vaguely resembles a circle. -- [unknown]

On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:31:05 GMT, (Ron Lee)
wrote in :

This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts).

I didn't read in the initial article posted to this message thread,
that the union was opposed to casual attire. Where did you get that
idea. The way I read it, NATICA is opposed to FAA management's
arbitrary change in job requirements sans employee agreement. It
would seem, that the union is opposed to FAA management changing the
job requirements after the fact.

A good union would file suit to prevent FAA management from breach of
contract.

Now, if this is a prelude to ATC privatization requirements, that
would be another matter. I can see where the entity paying for a
service has a right to dictate the terms of the service they are
funding _before_ the agreement is signed.

Ron Lee wrote:
This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.

Sounds like NATCA needs to be Reaganed.

Ron Lee


As a woman, I think the collared shirt thing is ridiculous. So many
people feel to comprehend that women can be business casual without a
collar.

But I agree that the union needs to find something else to oppose. A
huge reason why I'm so glad we don't have unions here.

Emily wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.

Sounds like NATCA needs to be Reaganed.

Ron Lee


As a woman, I think the collared shirt thing is ridiculous. So many
people feel to comprehend that women can be business casual without a
collar.

But I agree that the union needs to find something else to oppose. A
huge reason why I'm so glad we don't have unions here.

Ok, shoot me. I was a sexist pig thinking only in terms of males. Use
any female equivalent you wish. The INTENT should have been clear to
any instrument rated pilot who avoids uncontrolled fields.

Ron Lee

PS, The COMAIR pilots screwed up. Case closed. Quit trying to blame
ATC or taxiways.

Ron Lee wrote:
Emily wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.

Sounds like NATCA needs to be Reaganed.

Ron Lee


As a woman, I think the collared shirt thing is ridiculous. So many
people feel to comprehend that women can be business casual without a
collar.

But I agree that the union needs to find something else to oppose. A
huge reason why I'm so glad we don't have unions here.

Ok, shoot me. I was a sexist pig thinking only in terms of males. Use
any female equivalent you wish. The INTENT should have been clear to
any instrument rated pilot who avoids uncontrolled fields.

Ron Lee

PS, The COMAIR pilots screwed up. Case closed. Quit trying to blame
ATC or taxiways.


I don't know why you took my post personally.

Emily wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
Emily wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.

Sounds like NATCA needs to be Reaganed.

Ron Lee


As a woman, I think the collared shirt thing is ridiculous. So many
people feel to comprehend that women can be business casual without a
collar.

But I agree that the union needs to find something else to oppose. A
huge reason why I'm so glad we don't have unions here.

Ok, shoot me. I was a sexist pig thinking only in terms of males. Use
any female equivalent you wish. The INTENT should have been clear to
any instrument rated pilot who avoids uncontrolled fields.

Ron Lee

PS, The COMAIR pilots screwed up. Case closed. Quit trying to blame
ATC or taxiways.


I don't know why you took my post personally.

Emily wrote:


I don't know why you took my post personally.

Male PMS or too much sugar. Either way I was wrong and I apologize.
Oops, can't blame anything other than me.

Ron Lee